Almost all the names of the patients including the documents of those who were treated by Dr. Milbank Johnson in the 1934 clinic were lost many years ago. But there is still enough documentation, through letters and personal testimony, to prove that it did take place. Dr. Milbank Johnson was the medical doctor that conducted this clinic. Though Dr. Johnson conducted this clinic he would have required Dr. Rife or one of his assistants to run the instrument while he treated the patients. Some people claim that Dr. Rife probably was not there at the clinic because he stated that he never treated anyone. But operating the Rife Ray and treating someone are two different things. Just because Dr. Johnson stated that he ran the clinic without "nurses or secretaries" does not mean Dr. Rife was not there. Even Dr. James B. Couche M.D. was there on many different occasions. What most people do not consider is the fact that Dr. Rife's Rife Ray #3 was moved from his laboratory to the location of the clinic. This means he would not have had his instrument for three months (90 days) and all of his work at his laboratory would have all but stopped. Dr. Rife clearly stated that he was there while Dr. Johnson conducted the clinic.

We constantly hear people say "16 out of 16 terminally ill cancer patients" were cured in the 1934 clinic. This is not correct because Dr. Rifes stated that it was both a Cancer and a Tuberculosis clinic. He also stated that there were more tuberculosis patients than cancer patients. This means there could have been no more than 7 cancer patients treated at that clinic. We also know that there was possibly two of those cancer patients who came back to Dr. Johnson with a recurrence of their cancer. This still happens today to many people who are given a clean bill of health but within a few years, they develop cancer somewhere else. This does not mean the machine did not work at the clinic or that Dr. Rife embellished his statements. We all know people who have had cancer reoccur sometimes three and four times before they finally lost the battle.

Below is some of the documented information about this cancer and tuberculosis clinic given by Dr. Rife, Dr. Milbank Johnson, Dr. James B. Couche and Dr. Arthur Isaac Kendall. Many others knew about this clinic and as we find more documented information it will be added. Below is our first quote:
Dr. Rife: "We had a clinic in 34 in La Jolla. Dr. Milbank Johnson a friend of mine who was in Los Angeles. Well he was one of the big brass of the Pacific Mutual Life Insurance company. A multimillionaire, incidentally he was a medical politician and he had the big whip, he could kind of throw these boys in shape a little bit. And, so, we had this clinic, I didn't want to go it, but he says all right let's go ahead. That was just shortly after Mrs. Ellen Scripps died out there and he rented the whole Ellen Scripps home. We ran a clinic out there, we were there 90 days, we actually ran the clinic about, oh, I would say 70 days we did actual clinical work. And first I told him I wanted it done in a legitimate order. First I told him, I says I want you to surround on this committee with us a group of six of the biggest men you can pick in the United States. I says, you're a politician enough you can do that, which he did. He got Fisher of New York, he got Wayland Morrison, he got George Dock of Pasadena and so on. Then, I says, I want as our pathologist, I want Alvin Foord which is a friend of both of us of course. “Well,” he says, “good Lord, you’ve looked at a thousand tissues to Alvin's one.” “It don’t make any difference," I said.  “He is the president of the American Association of Pathologists" and I says "I want his name on every one of these cases we treat." “Now,” I says, “I want to organize a Special Medical Research Committee under a bona fide University”, which we did under the University of Southern California. Which Dr. Johnson contributed to their library and so on and so forth why he carried a weight there to. What we did, we run the clinic, we got through, we did all the reports, photographs before and after this that and the other. Of our 16 cases we had, at the end of the time when we had our meeting, the Los Angeles athletic club up there why this board pronounced 14 of our cases clinically cured." (Taken from the Rife audio CDs sold on this site. Track 8).
In a letter sent to Dr. Arthur Isaac Kendall, Dr. Johnson mentioned that he was going to rent a home for the clinic. At the writing of this letter, Dr. Rife did not know what Dr. Johnson was planning. We quote:
Dr. Johnson: "My dear Arthur…while I was down in La Jolla Saturday morning, I made arrangements to take a house down there for three months beginning June 15 and we are all going down to spend that time. I hope by then we will have human cases to work on and I am too far off up here to give them the proper attention. I am going to see this thing through and help you and Roy in any way that I can. Of course I don't want to interfere with either one of you but I don't mind saying that I hope you and Gertrude will be able to spend your vacation in La Jolla this year because your presence would be very desirable at this crucial time. I have not told Roy anything about this myself yet but I'm sending him a copy of this letter so that he will know what I am planning to do." (Letter from Dr. Johnson to Dr. Kendall, April 2, 1934).

In a letter, Dr. Johnson sent to Dr. Rife on the same day he informed Dr. Rife he wanted to test the Rife Ray #3 on some patients. We quote:
Dr. Johnson: "My dear Dr. Rife… Incidentally, I am thinking about taking a House in La Jolla from June 15 to September 15. If by that time you get far enough along with your work, I would like to try your method on a human being or so. (Letter from Dr. Johnson to Dr. Rife, April 2, 1934." Page 1 and Page 2).

In another letter, written 28 days later Dr. Johnson told Dr. Rife that he wanted to show him the place he had chosen for the 1934 clinic. We quote:
Dr. Johnson: "My dear Doctor… Can't you meet me about 11:30 in La Jolla next Saturday. I want to show you the Library Building and get your opinion of it before I say anything to the people at the Scripps Clinic about it as a place for our Clinic this Summer." (Letter from Dr. Johnson to Dr. Rife, April 30, 1934).

Dr. James B. Couche M.D. heard about the clinic from Dr. Johnson and decided he wanted to go to La Jolla and see some of the cases that were being treated. He became very interested because of the things that he saw so he decided to help Dr. Johnson and Dr. Rife with that 1934 Clinic. We quote:
Dr. Couche: "And when I was told about this Dr. Rife, Royal Rife and how he had a machine out at the Scripps Institute annex, twenty-four years ago, I went out to see about it and became very much interested in seeing the cases which he had. And the thing that brought me into it more quickly than anything was a man who had a cancer of the stomach. He (Dr. Rife) was associated at that time with Dr. Milbank Johnson who was then President of the Los Angeles Medical Society, a very wealthy man, and a very big man in the medical world, the biggest in Los Angeles. And he (Dr. Johnson) had hired this annex for this demonstration over a summer of time, several months (summer of 1934). And in that period of time, I saw many things. The one that impressed me most was a man who staggered into a table just on the last end of cancer. He was a bag of bones. As he lay on that bed, Dr. Rife and Dr. Milbank Johnson said, “just feel that man’s stomach.” So I put my hand on what was the cavity where his stomach was underneath, it was just a cavity almost he was so thin. Backbone and belly were just about touching each other and I put my hand on his stomach which was one solid hard mass about just what I could cover with my hand, somewhat of the shape of the heart. And it was absolutely solid and I thought to myself nothing can be done for that, however, they gave him a treatment of the Rife frequencies and in the course of time over a period of six weeks to two months, to my astonishment he completely recovered. And he got so well that he asked permission to go back down to El Central as he had a farm there and he wanted to see about his stock. Now Dr. Rife said, “ Now you can’t drive a car to El Central cause you haven’t got the strength.” “Oh”, he says, “Yes I can.” And he says, “I’ll have a man to do it for me. Well”, he says, “I could easily do it.” As a matter of fact, he did do it and when he got down to El Central he had a sick cow there and he stayed up all night attending to it and he drove back the next day and then without any rest whatever. So you can imagine how he had recovered. And then, unfortunately, he was desperately hungry. He had six cans of sardines and some other things besides and engorged his liver to such an extent that he died. And they posted him and they found he had had a large abscess of the liver which was almost healed but the engorgement of the food broke it down and he bled to death internally. Well, that was a remarkable thing. I saw some other cases that were very interesting."
(Taken from the Rife audio CDs sold on this site. Track 6).

Dr. Arthur Isaac Kendall wrote a letter to Mrs. Amelia C. Bridges one of Dr. Rife’s benefactors after the Clinic was over and stated the following. We quote:

Dr. Kendall: "Dear Mrs. Bridges... This afternoon I have a meeting with Mr. Hardin, President of the Board of Trustees of the University: he is much interested in Roy and his splendid work, and I shall be asked to tell what I saw during my very brief visit (two and one half months) to California. Mr. Hardin, unlike many persons, is very friendly and will take the proper viewpoint of the work: that it is experimental so far, done with no rules of the game to go by, and with a machine that is designed for small output, and therefore, not capable of showing its full worth. I understand there is to be a new machine (Rife Ray #4), embodying the facts learned from the old one, and built a long more lusty lines so it’s output will be more nearly equal to the demands which should be put upon it. I have written Dr. Johnson telling him about the one case I can talk intelligently about: Tom Knight. Roy will tell you about Tom: he seems to me to be the most important case of the entire series because his tumor was on the cheek, where it could be seen, watched and measured from the start to the finish. This I have done, reciting the actual measurements, and details of the treatment and of the pathological examination." (Letter from Dr. Arthur Isaac Kendall, September 20, 1934).

After the 1934 clinic was over Dr. Johnson was still treating other patients with Dr. Rife’s Ray tube instrument #3. In a letter he wrote to Dr. Rife he stated the following. We quote:
Dr. Johnson: "My dear Dr. Rife… Let me know when you get your new condenser for the new Rife Ray machine. I am very anxious to test it out and give some of our patients just a few more treatments." (Letter from Dr. Johnson to Dr. Rife January 8, 1935).

In December of 1935, Dr. Johnson gave some details of this clinic in a letter sent to Dr. Mildred Schram. In the letter, Dr. Johnson describes the way he conducted the clinic in 1934.
Dr. Johnson: "My dear Dr. Schram…the clinic was opened and run by me to satisfy me personally whether the Rife Ray would destroy pathogenic organisms in vivo as well as in vitro. The latter we had repeatedly demonstrated in the laboratory. I had to have this information conclusively positive before I could recommend to my friends to get in behind the work to carry it on to a logical conclusion. Having no nurses or secretaries in La Jolla, the records while truthful, are more or less fragmentary and not kept for careful scrutiny by brother scientists. As I told you, when I started this work I intended to finance it through to the end. The only assistance that I expected to get was such cooperation as I might receive from other physicians in working with the microscope and the Ray.

Now that we have to convince a whole lot of other men from cold turkey, we shall have to turn over a new leaf and do our work subject to inspection by others. (Letter from Dr. Johnson to Dr. Mildred Schram, Secretary of The International Cancer Research Foundation dated Dec 16, 1935." Page 1, Page 2, Page 3).

After the success of the 1934 clinic, Dr. Johnson wanted his own machine that he could use on other patients in future clinical trials. By the fall of 1935, Dr. Johnson had his new machine completed which was a more powerful instrument than the Rife Ray #3 which was used in the 1934 clinic. This instrument was called the Rife Ray #4 and was now fully contained into a single cabinet which made it portable. To learn about this instrument read Chapter 8 of “The Rife Machine Report” on this site. There were two of these instruments built. One was for Dr. Johnson and another was for Dr. Rife. We recommend that you read all of the doctors written statements about using Dr. Rife's instruments.

Dr. Rife's instruments. 

Dr. Joseph D. Heitger
701 Heyburn Building
Louisville, Kentucky

June 1, 1937

My dear Joe:

Your very welcome letter of May 29 just came in this morning. I was surprised to learn that Katrine was in Pasadena. It seems to me that I had heard somewhere that she was to be out here at some wedding, but I had not heard that she had arrived. We both hope to be able to see her before she returns.

I closed my clinic on May 28, having been running it for eight months. Our special effort this past winter has been working on cataracts, and while we have treated a number of other infectious conditions (if cataract is an infection), still our principal work has been on the eye.

We have had about thirty cases of cataract. Three of the cases had, as complications, a dewy cornea, if you know what that means. Most oculists do not. We treated the dewy cornea empirically with the same MOR that we used on the cataracts, and the dewy condition disappeared very promptly. In two of these cases, the patients had both cataract and dewy cornea.

The clinic just closed last Thursday, and I have not as yet had time to completely recapitulate and classify all of the cases. I am in the middle of that job right now. When I get it finished, I want to send you a copy of it for your disinterested criticism. The facts that will be brought out by this report are not guesses, but in every case, they are the result of first, an initial examination by Dr. J. Ross Reed, an oculist of Pasadena, whom no doubt you know. This record is placed at the head of every case before I take it, and during the treatments, which average about thirty exposures of three minutes each with the Rife Ray, Dr. Reed examines the patient, reporting to me the progress, if any, which has been made. When the corrected vision gets 6/6 in one or both eyes, the patient is dismissed as functionally cured, even though the visible opacities have not been entirely eliminated. These reports are carefully checked with the ophthalmoscope. What will no doubt surprise you, Richard Winter, my nephew, has photographed all of the interesting cataracts for me, giving us a permanent record which could not be influenced by any desire on our part, the camera being unemotional and recording only facts.  

Every case that we have treated, with the exception of one which was a traumatic cataract where the lens was absolutely opaque and of recent origin, has been benefited. The process of coagulation has been stopped and there has been a distinct retrogression of the opacities, resulting, in most cases, in a complete restitution of the function of the eye.
The great trouble that I am experiencing, not only with cataract but with other conditions, is to build a machine that will definitely and constantly give an absolutely predictable output. Experience has taught us that the machine, as at present constructed, varies very markedly under different weather conditions. Wet, cold days at a given setting of the dials, we do not get the same output at the same setting that we do on dry, warm days. As our yardstick for measuring the oscillations coming out of the machine is hazy and very difficult to use, you can readily understand some or our trouble.

I certainly wish that you were here to study with me our findings. I do not want to fool myself, and I have taken every precaution that I know of to prevent that sad occurrence, because I am convinced that the biggest fool in the world is the fool who fools himself. Yet when you consider the advanced age of the patients, averaging well over 70 years and some of them going as high as 93, their reactions, both psychic and physical, to any form or treatment that promises to benefit them are very apt to lead any observer astray.

Not being a trained oculist myself, I have tried to rely only on Dr. Reed's findings. I have, however, formed in the back of my mind one very definite conclusion, and that is that there is a lot about cataract that doctors don't know yet, and that the opacities which we see in the lens are not the sole cause of the lack of vision.

I hope you will pardon this rambling letter and lay it to the fact that I have not yet organized my own work and my own thoughts on the matter. I will send you, as soon as it is prepared, the complete factual information based upon absolute findings, and give you the source and means by which we arrived at any conclusions which we utter. You can take the following as a definite finding: The application or the Rife Ray as we have used it, does, in the great majority of cases, restore the full visual function of the eye; that is, that portion of visual disturbance due to opacities in the lens. How it does it and why it does it, I do not know, but the above statement is an actual fact, supported now by many cases.

Oh Lord! How I wish we could get together and go over this work! I believe it will result in epochal changes in the profession's handling of cataract cases. I have learned a whole lot about cataract and how to use an ophthalmoscope and how to photograph the lens for opacities, but owing to my lack of actual knowledge of the eye, due to my lack of experience with it, I still do not feel very secure in coming to conclusions.

Wishing you and Mrs. Heitger a pleasant and profitable summer, I am

Very sincerely, your friend,
MILBANK JOHNSON (Signed)

P. S.: What I have told you above is told in the strictest confidence, as we are not yet ready to make a public announcement -- we hope to be ready shortly.

 Dr. James B. Couche, M.D.
Talks About Using The Rife Machine

1950s Interview by John Crane and John Marsh.

Transcribed from the original recordings Copyright 2011.

(1). Dr. Couche: Dr. James B. Couche, (pronounced Koosh), in England as we were Huguenots (french pronunciation [ygno]).  Kicked out of France and landed in Cornwall. I suppose my father and mother were both born in Cornwall so my wife and I were born in Lew. So I suppose I am actually a cousin Jack, as they would say. I live at 4136 Palmetto Way, San Diego and I have been here since March 1931. And I landed in England with my three children. And my own boy James, some few years after we landed here discovered that when he was in the High school, taking his high school at Point Loma they made a test for tuberculosis, a skin bond pirquet test for tuberculosis and they found that he was positive.

So we had an X-ray taken and we found that he had active tuberculosis in England. And my leaving to come here, three or four years before this was a God send for the sunlight of helping him but he still had tuberculosis. So the sun light hadn’t done anything for him. So fortunately I had a portable machine, of the Rife machine in a portable unit. So I promptly started giving him, I kept him out of school for a year, I gave him the machine everyday and for many months he had it. He took it up to, when he moved away from here, he took it with him and used it and I can tell you that he has passed many examinations through the Navy. He now is a full three striper in the reserve and he has all been pronounced as long as he has passed, time and again, as being absolutely perfect. And that was done with the Rife machine.

Crane: That is certainly wonderful doctor.

(2). Dr. Couche: Yea, yea, so that I think I have got a tremendous amount to be thankful for to Roy Rife. Now being greatly interested in all these things of science because of my medical course at Toronto University I had to take a course, a scientific course as well. In passing my examinations in London I also had to have science. So I have always been fond of looking into scientific phenomenon. And when I was told about this Dr. Rife, Royal Rife and how he had a machine (Rife Ray #3) out at the Scripps Institute annex, twenty-four years ago, I went out to see about it and became very much interested in seeing the cases which he had.

And the thing that brought me into it more quickly than anything was a man who had a cancer of the stomach. He (Dr. Rife) was associated at that time with Dr. Milbank Johnson who was then President of the Los Angeles Medical Society, a very wealthy man, and a very big man in the medical world, the biggest in Los Angeles. And he (Dr. Johnson) had hired this annex for this demonstration over a summer of time, several months (summer of 1934). And in that period of time I saw many things.

The one that impressed me most was a man who staggered into a table just on the vast end of cancer. He was a bag of bones. As he lay on that bed, Dr. Rife and Dr. Milbank Johnson said, “just feel that man’s stomach.” So I put my hand on what was the cavity where his stomach was underneath, it was just a cavity almost he was so thin. Back bone and belly were just about touching each other and I put my hand on his stomach which was one solid hard mass about just what I could cover with my hand, somewhat of the shape of the heart. And it was absolutely solid and I thought to myself nothing can be done for that, however, they gave him a treatment of the Rife frequencies and in the course of time over a period of six weeks to two months, to my astonishment he completely recovered.

And he got so well that he asked permission to go back down to El Central as he had a farm there and he wanted to see about his stock.  Now Dr. Rife said, “ Now you can’t drive a car to El Central cause you haven’t got the strength.”  “Oh”, he says, “Yes I can.”  And he says, “I’ll have a man to do it for me.  Well”, he says, “I could easily do it.”  As a matter of right, he did do it and when he got down to El Central he had a sick cow there and he stayed up all night attending to it and he drove back the next day and then without any rest whatever. So you can imagine how he had recovered.  And then unfortunately, he was desperately hungry. He had six cans of sardines and some other things besides and engorged his liver to such an extent that he died. And they posted him and they found he had had a large abscess of the liver which was almost healed but the engorgement of the food broke it down and he bled to death internally.  Well that was a remarkable thing.

(3). I saw some other cases that were very interesting. So then I got a copy of the machine (Rife Ray #5 or Beam Ray Clinical instrument).  That was a very big thing of wet cells (battery cells).  But this one was now brought into the comforts of the cabinet and I saw demonstrations of that and so I finally bought one of these machines and established it in my office. 

And I had some very remarkable things result from it.  In the course of over twenty years.  Twenty-one, twenty-two years.  Amongst the other things I could tell you, were whilst I was in the seven years I was in the gas company building on the seventh floor, a case was sent to me by a Dr. Burkenstock for treatment for tabesmesenterica (sp?)  that is tuberculosis of the bowels of the belly.  The girl came to me entirely strange, I had never seen her in my life before.  She was a young women of 19 years of age.  I asked her if she was married.  She said yes, she was married two years. She said in that two years she had had two operations.  She showed me the scar from the pubis to the navel which Dr. Burkenstock had opened up and stripped out the tuberculosis hard glands and closed her up.  Well in the course of some months afterwards she developed other glands in the belly and he decided to take those out too.  So he opened her again from the navel to the xiphoid cartilage at the bottom of the sternum and that was five months before I saw her.  She was wrapped in a large pack of absorbent cotton right round her because the wound would not heal as tuberculosis wound is notoriously hard to heal. 

And the oozing of it was so great that she had to have this big pad of cotton around her front covering her whole abdomen to absorb the pus that was constantly flowing.  As he couldn’t stop it and there seemed to be no way to stop it.  And as her bills had been enormous from the hospitals and operations and they still owed $500 he sent her to me to see if I could do anything for her.  Well, I placed her on the table, on my operating table. On exposing the abdomen I found a lump the size of a hen egg sticking up in the right iliac fossa, the right corner of the abdomen.  Well I went to touch it she says, “Oh don’t touch that, don’t touch that, that’s terribly sore.”  “Oh” I says, “Don’t worry.  I’m not going to touch it.  That may be an abscess.  If I was to touch it and handle it I might break it.  So we’ll leave it carefully alone”  I said “alright then sit down on the chair.”  She put on her clothes, she had all her clothes on, she had only exposed her abdomen.  And she sat in her full clothing on her chair in front of my Rife machine which was about a yard away from me.  And I gave her, her first treatment. 

Now the Rife machine had covered a band of frequencies, each frequency having a special germ attached to it.  And I had a list of the frequencies what had been demonstrated by Dr. Rife and Dr. Milbank Johnson and others in their experimental work of what frequency would kill tuberculosis, the virus and what frequency, and the rod for another, colon bacillus for one and the virus for another, pneumonia rod and colon viruses, all the different frequencies for all the different diseases.  Typhoid even cancer, sarcoma, syphilis each one of the different germs had its frequency worked out.  But knowing the frequency for tuberculosis, I turned on the machine.  Now I wasn’t at all sure that I need only use the frequency of tuberculosis so I gave her a frequency of the rest of what I had. Knowing that it couldn’t hurt her and it might be some other frequencies that would be effective as well as auxiliary to the TB.  So I gave her what the machine had at that distance not touching her. 

And after giving her the treatment which occupied about 15 minutes, I said “now then that’s ok.”  Now this was a Wednesday morning, she turned to me and she said, “Well now, doctor, when do I come back for another treatment?”  I said “well, don’t come back for at least 4 days.  Give me time to get a reaction.  So don’t come back before Monday morning, 10:00.  That’ll give me time for a reaction.”  So she said “what do I eat?”  “Well,” I says, “it isn’t food that’ll hurt you” I says. “You can take all the food you want but especially lots of pasteurized milk. Take abundance of it. Because you’re so thin that you need it.  Every bit of it.”  And she says “well do I go to bed?”  I says “well you walked here.”  I said “for your own sake if that thing was to break in your side you would be in a mess wouldn’t you?  So I would suggest that you lie down most of the time.  But, for what you needed to do in the house well get up and do it.  But lie down.” 

So she came back on the following Monday morning on her toes.  She says “well you can punch me where ever you like now, on my side.”  I said “what do you mean?”  “All that soreness is gone.”  “Oh nonsense” I said. “Get on the table.”  Sure enough, on the table, there wasn’t a sign of the lump, swelling.  And I began punching it.  “I don’t mind” she said, “it’s alright.  It’s all gone.  No soreness there at all.”  “Oh” she said.  “I haven’t had my period for over three months.  But two days after I was here my period came on the first time I remember without any pain and it’s on now.” And I might say at this time, that I’ve seen her for many years since and she has never missed a period. And she was 93 pounds in weight when she came to me and she left me after three and a half months treatment she was 127 pounds.  Dr. Burkenstock has told me since in the last year or two that she is now 145 pounds and has never looked back.  Well, that is a startling case because I practically instantly cured her of tuberculosis. And it was a most outstanding condition.

(4). Well, I was going to England at the end of that period of three and one half months, and I went to England and over there introduced the machine to those people over there.  Or told them about the machine and I came back in three and one half months. Well, at the end of the period before I went to England, Dr. Burger and another associate, with Dr. Milbank Johnson, told me that I must be in the medical society.  That my education was such that I ought to be in the medical society and there was no sense in me being out.  And they would sponsor me.  And I laughed.  I said I haven’t the faintest desire to go into the medical society because spiritually and in other ways, we don’t see at all eye to eye and my work is more or less of the charitable type and that doesn’t go with the other fellows here and so they don’t want me in the medical society. 

Well, he said that’s ok, you come to El Cortez hotel at a certain day and we will give you a dinner.  And put you in, propose you to go in the medical society.  Which they did.  And I paid $5 for a journal which I was to get every week being a member of the medical society.  Well, right immediately after I went abroad, got back in 3 ½ months, to find that I had been rejected.  Now I never inquired why I was rejected.  I never even told Burger or Milbank Johnson that I had been rejected.  I wasn’t interested enough to bother.  But I had a pretty good idea about it. It only took two members to blackball a person. As I knew two prominent members in the society who knew me and my machine very intimately ‘cause they were adjoining me and my office in the electric building and they wouldn’t have anything to do with me because of this machine.  So I have a pretty good idea probably who had turned me down but I never inquired nor did I ever tell Burger or Johnson.

(5). Well, I was going to England at the end of that period of three and a half months and I had only got back when there was a patient working in the post office. He was a cripple with his hip but he also had contracted a condition of the mouth, cancrum oris, of all the stinking things that you ever smelled in this world, its cancrum oris.  It had eaten out the front lip three fourths of an inch in extent so that his teeth shone through and the edges of it were raw and stinking.  The man was lying in the hospital in the center of town and so helpless that he couldn’t even raise his hands or move himself.  Everything had to be done for him and of course every doctor in the city at that time almost that were attending in the hospital all came to see him.  And he’d had a variety of all kinds of treatments that hadn’t done him one single bit of good except irritated him and the smell to himself was so great he couldn’t hardly stand it.  It was abominable.  You didn’t have to get into his room before you could smell it.  “Well,” they said to me “well now, doctor,” it was Dr. Raymer, a lady doctor who happened to know me and my machines.

She was in practicing with her sister in the electric building on the floor below me.  She said I was supposed to send for Dr. Couche so they called me up and I had just gotten home on the Saturday and would I mind coming down to see this man.  I says “alright, I’ll come down tomorrow morning, Sunday.”  So I got down to the hospital and found the condition as I have stated.  “Well,” said Dr. Raymer, “Can you do anything for him?”  I says “Well I don’t know.”  I says, “My work is in its infancy yet.” I says “All I can say is bring him down to my office.” And so they brought him down.  He came down to me every single day including Sundays for 17 days.  On the 17th day he was completely healed and well.  He had been gathering his strength up and it wasn’t long before he was out of bed and eventually went back to work at the post office. So that was another case. 

(6). Then I had my brother come over from England in ’47. And he’d had a sinus of 30 years and he had a large hole up in the side of his nose that you could from the inside, you couldn’t see it from the outside, entering into the cheek cavity in the bones of the cheek in the antrum. And every night of his life before he went to bed he used to syringe this thing out with warm water and boric acid to keep it clean.  He had to do that every night before he went to bed.  Well he came over to me and I said, “Well”, now his name was Vivian.  I said, “Well Viv, let’s see if I can do anything for you with the machine.”  So in the meantime I had adopted the habit of using the machine in direct contact on the body on the part.  So I put him on my table and gave him the machine, the Rife machine, for 5 weeks.  Every day for 5 weeks. He was with me 6 weeks altogether.  And I could give it to him every day because he lived with me. 

So every day I put him on the table and gave him a treatment with the machine. At the end of 5 weeks, he remarked, he says, “you know Jim,” he says, “I’m not getting anything out of that thing any more.  Is that alright?”  I says, “isn’t that what you wanted? You asked me to heal it.”  I says “it’s been healed apparently. There’s no more discharge.”  Now it’s very remarkable because I remember 30 years before in England his having those operations. He’d had three operations on the sinus and they’d operated from the inside of the nose.  So that was another remarkable case.

(7). And I have found that there are many things I could cure.  I could cure arthritis and I could cure tuberculosis of other parts of the body.  I had four cases in my records of people who had lost one kidney and unfortunately had germs in the bladder flowing from the other kidney which of course would have been fatal.  I had one woman come to me about 20 years ago who came to me with a kidney out and we found in the analysis of the urine that there was tubercular germs in the bladder still which of course doomed her to a very short life.  Well, I gave a treatment with the machine and cured her.  And for many long years and she may still be in the county hospital for all I know.  I haven’t seen her for some years.  I did see her sometimes afterwards for a while but I lost track of her.  And what became of her now but I will guarantee to say that she was at least there for 10 years to my absolute knowledge.  And that was one case and I had three others of the same type that had a kidney out. And were healed by the machine. 

Crane: They were tuberculosis, Doctor?

8. Dr. Couche: Tuberculosis, yes.  Then I had another child who had tuberculous osteomyelitis of the leg.  A boy of nine years of age.  A Mexican who was treated at the Mercy Hospital by his attending doctors who used to scrape the bone twice a week to the agonizing of the child who used to scream his head off because they never gave him anything.  They just poked in there and cleaned him out twice a week.  And the terror of that boy was awful.  The dread of this terrible work and he had a big splint on and he was on crutches.  So having treated the rest of his family who’d had tuberculosis they asked me would I take care of him. 

I should have said for the girl that I cured of the belly I never got one penny in compensation.  I never asked her for any because I knew her husband had still 5 thousand expenses to pay and I couldn’t see how I could possibly burden them any further and so I never got one penny for that or the fellow that had the lip.  Or in fact many of these cases I treated because they were up against it and had such a lot of expenses it was hopeless to put any more on them. In fact I have sometimes had to give them money. 

Well this boy came to me and I put him on the table.  It was a hard job to get him in the office.  They had to carry him in.  He struggled his head off. He’d had such an awful lot of doctors, he was scared stiff that I was going to poke on him and he began yelling and I said, “Well, don’t try to keep him from crying because people won’t like it in the building around here because.” And I said, “Sonny, I’m not going to hurt you.  You won’t even feel it.”  I said, “Look at me.  I am putting it on my own hand and watch me.   See?  It isn’t hurting me.”  I says, “I’ve had hundreds of treatments. It won’t hurt you.  So just lie there.  I don’t care whether you take the bands off.  Leave them as is because you’ve got to go back to the hospital and report or else you’ll get in trouble.”  So, we left him as was with the splint on.  Well, I was only less than two weeks treating that boy before the wound was completely healed and well and he took off his splints and he threw his splints away and he’s a great big grown up man now and working his head off. A big strong powerful man and never had any come back of his tuberculosis. He was completely cured. Never of course cost him any money as his family were only poor Mexicans.  And there were many cases like that. 

(9). I will always feel that sinuses I was very expert at. I never treated a sinus that I didn’t cure. And I was very good also on growths, reducing growths.  But I saw hundreds of people. I got to the place that I never kept any records because there wasn’t any use in keeping records.  The patients themselves were the record. I have a lot of records of the beginning but I soon got over putting all the details down because I found that they were walking records.  They didn’t need anything else. Knowing the hostility of the medical professions when I first started I had forms printed that guaranteed that any treatment they received would be at their own risk and that my knowledge was that there was no harm in the rays. They were not virulent rays like x-ray nor did they have any deleterious effect.  That I had had many treatments myself and as a matter of fact in the course of twenty-two or three years I must have had many thousands of treatments.  All day long treating one after another and so on.  My fees were always a dollar or two dollars.  And very rarely three dollars a treatment.  So nobody was ever hurt by the cost of them and they paid cash at the time and that kept me from sending books. In fact, I have never sent more than a dozen statements in my twenty-two years of medical practice here.  So that was the way I ran my work.  They paid cash and if they didn’t pay they didn’t pay.  And that’s all there was to it. 

(10). Now, I used to have some remarkable results with eyes especially pterygium. That’s a growth that comes out towards the pupil and I had many of those that I cured. 

Crane: That’s with the machine, Doctor?

Dr. Couche: With the Rife machine, yes. 

Crane: Is that considered a form of cancer?

Dr. Couche: No.  No, it’s just an outgrowth. Evidently it was a germ.  You asked me what germ it was.  I don’t know.  I simply gave them all I had.  And whatever the frequency was running on each frequency why those frequencies that knocked it out but which it was I don’t know. 

(11). I could reduce tumors though.  I had many illustrations of where I had good effects on treating fibroids.

Crane: Fibroid cancers?

Dr. Couche: No.  No, fibrous neoplasm.  Innocent tumors.  Not malignant.

Crane: What range did you use for those?

Dr. Couche: Not knowing what frequency it was at the bottom of it, I gave them all I had.  All the frequencies. 

(12). I had one remarkable instance of the efficacy of the machine in Rife’s laboratory.  He had a group of people there and his laboratory was a wonderful place.  It cost some $25,000. I believe Mrs. Bridges gave it to him.  There was 15 inches of concrete on the floor so as to stop any earthquake shocks from interfering with his work. And in his laboratory up on the ground floor he had a microscope with a slide on it that this group of people and myself looked at.  And this was not stained so there was no killing of any bacteria on it.  It was just a fresh culture of colon bacillus which is a motile germ having flagella at either end.  It is active.  Very few germs are motile.  They are always immobile like tuberculosis.  But typhoid and colon (bacillus)were both related to each other, have flagella. In the case of typhoid, they were all around the germ and in the case of colon on the ends.  These flagella push it around in the fluid and they are active, very active.  Well on this slide was this culture of colon bacillus.

Well we all went down on the stairs into the cellar right immediately under the microscope that was on the floor above us.  And the Rife machine was down underneath there, under the culture in the cellar on the floor above and we were in the cellar underneath I suppose 10 feet away – 8 or 10 feet away – and he turned the machine on and gave it less than a half a minute’s frequency for colon bacillus.  He’d done a lot of work on colon bacillus so he knew exactly what the frequency was that would kill it.  So he didn’t bother about any other frequencies, just colon bacillus and he turned it on full blast with that special frequency.  Then he turned the machine off and we all came upstairs and waited for 10 or 15 minutes and presently he came back to his microscope and he said, well now gentlemen, it was all men, gentlemen he says, come and look at the slide now.  Well, to my astonishment the bacilli had all been killed and they were stacked up on the slide like a log raft jam coming down from the ocean and it covered, the whole field was covered with the dead bodies of the colon bacillus now killed and immotile.

Crane: Well, it was certainly an amazing demonstration.

Dr. Couche: It was a marvelous demonstration.  And that was through the concrete.

13. Crane: Did you have any treatment with skin diseases?

Dr. Couche: Yes, I have had some very good results with skin diseases.  I had many things like lupus.  I had a case of lupus.

Crane: Is that what you call butterfly lupus?

Dr. Couche: That’s right.  The common kind is a butterfly across the nose and cheeks.  And of course, it’s eventually fatal.  It’s a tuberculosis nature.  The germ of lupus is very much like the same germ as tuberculosis. So it definitely is a close cousin of it and one case that I had of typical butterfly condition across the nose and cheeks and the ears, up around the ears was cured.  When everybody thought that it of course was hopeless.  I had one or two cases of lupus which were all succumbed to the machine.  

(14). We had the machine, like patterned to mine, taken down to the Paradise Valley Sanitarium when Dr. Hamer was the superintendent.  Dr. Hamer had been cured of the machine of his sinus.  He was greatly impressed with the treatments that he got curing his sinus.  So he asked permission to have a machine taken and put in the body of the main ward or room of the hospital.  And Dr. Hamer being a superintendent could do that.  And he had a very excellent technician who did his work and specimens were taken every week for analysis by the technician.  I’ve forgotten the man’s name for the moment but he was a very prominent man. 

Well, this machine was put in the midst of a large number of people and treatments were given to the room every day.  Dr. Hamer told me this personally and his assistant, the technician, both of them confirmed it.  He said, Dr. Couche I was astonished.  All those old chronic colitis cases and other things that we had there that were in there for a long time were miraculously cured.  He says I just never saw anything in my life like it.  And when we began cleaning up all these old chronics in the hospital the doctors whose patients they were got very much incensed about it.  And ordered me to have the machine taken out of the building or they wouldn’t send any more patients there. In a sense that was their meal tickets.  Well, Hamer said well I’m not going to take the machine out of here unless I go with it.  Which he did.  He and his technician left the hospital and opened up an office in Chula Vista.  Could have been National City, I think it was National City.  I remember going to his place. It was National City I guess.  And he took the machine to his office. 

Well, he began getting a great many patients and he was getting quite well known and he got very busy.  Well when the medical society got onto it, they notified him that if he didn’t give up the machine he would have to get out of the medical society as it hadn’t been authorized by the AMA.  Well, Hamer had the choice of either running the machine or getting out of the medical society.  Well he thought he might deteriorate his license if he stayed with the machine as it wasn’t orthodoxed by the AMA and he knew he would have a fight on his hands. He didn’t want to face the medical profession that way and jeopardize his own certificate and so he decided to give up the machine.  Of course his practice faded away and he moved up into the hospital up in the upper country somewhere near Lake Tahoe or somewhere up there. Rife knows where it is, I’ve forgotten now.  But they both moved out.  Now that was what he did in that Paradise Valley and Dr. Hamer would be able to testify that.  He is still alive.  He’s up there with his brother in the sanitarium and he undoubtedly would give that testimony if he was asked for it. 

15. Crane: Yeah, have you heard from the Ball Plain Home in regards to tuberculosis?

Dr. Couche: Yes.  I had a very remarkable experience with that.  I used to send and still do, a subscription to the tuberculosis people at Ball Plain and this happened about something over five years ago. I sent them word that I would guarantee to cure any case of tabes mesentarica, that’s tuberculosis of the bowels or bone, and could probably modify any form of tuberculosis at the hospital and I would be very glad indeed to bring a machine to the hospital. And would guarantee the work on, particularly on, tabes or osteomyelitis tuberculosis type and would put up a bond of $1000 to guarantee it.  That was the exact words in my letter.  I never got any reply to my letter nor was I asked to bring the machine there.

Crane: This is John Crane.  I certainly enjoyed your discussion and I appreciate it very much.  Thank you.

Dr. Charles F. Tully D. D. S. Talks About
Using Rife’s Machinen On His Patients.

1950s Interview by John Crane & John Marsh.

Transcribed from the original recordings by www.rifevideos.com. Copyright 2011.

(1.) Crane: Dr. Tully is very highly respected in the dental profession. He has contributed several patents to dental and mechanical equipment for positioning teeth and so on. He is now a specialist limiting his practice to extractions and making dentures. He’s had his own plant here making his own teeth from quartz and experimenting with a great many materials. And he has done a tremendous job with the frequency instrument. Dr. Tully is about 68 years old, rather short, he spent a good deal of his life down in Mexico. He speaks Spanish fluently and at one time had three offices here in San Diego. But he sort of got tired of paying $200 a month rent in the big medical dental building and more or less moved down to a poorer section in town where he set up his practice and is getting along just fine and has always been very cooperative with us, Dr. Tully.

Dr. Tully: I think that I would like to give a case history, a single case history that came to me that’s most interesting. It was a lady from Pasadena who was sent to me by a doctor here in San Diego. And it was a case of butterfly lupus. And so the doctor called me up and asked me if I would take the case and see what happened because it had been turned over to him by a specialist. A skin specialist from Pasadena who had been working on the case perhaps several months without being able to clear up the situation. So this lady came to Dr. McBride and Dr. McBride because of future [previous] cases we had worked on together asked me to please take the case and so I did. So the lady came out with the butterfly lupus spread badly all over her face. And so we went to work on it and in two weeks it was completely all healed up. The funny part of it was her doctor in Pasadena advised her against the treatment because it would probably make the matter worse and he didn’t want her fussing around but when she told him that Dr. McBride had insisted that she give it a try and she had a great deal of faith in the doctor here in San Diego she wanted to come down and try it.  So the doctor told her, “I will let you go for two weeks but I won’t put you out from under my care and I want you to report to me in two weeks to see what has happened to you.”

So she returned to her doctor in Pasadena at the end of two weeks with the butterfly lupus entirely gone. And her doctor was startled when he saw her walking into the office. He couldn't believe that that should have taken place and he said he had never heard of such a thing and didn't know that anything like that [was] possible. But that was just one of the cases, of quite a miraculous case that came from a dermatologist who had been working on this particular case for several months without any particular good having been done by the doctor at all. According to his own admission that during those three months, or four months or such a matter that he had not been able to get any results practically whatsoever. And here she came here for two weeks and returned to his office completely all cleared up. And he was not able to understand it. Now that is just one of the cases. We have had a number just like that but that would be sufficient to show what is done and can be done sometimes with this Rife frequency instrument.

(2). Crane: Well that's very interesting doctor. The treatment with the frequency instrument has been, as I understand it, very beneficial in the use of eliminating, possibly eliminating some antibiotics, is that possible. Or do you notice anything of that nature.

Dr. Tully: Nature, just what, make that a little more clear.

Crane: In other words after a patient has been operated on, say with surgery, is it possible to use the instrument to eliminate any further infection that may occur.

Dr. Tully: Yes, I had some lady who had been operated on for gallstones. And the wound healed up all right but it was quite a irritated scar. It was red and itchy and disagreeable and giving her considerable trouble. So I suggested that I would like to try that to see if it gave her any help. So we put the instrument on her, a frequency upon her for, it was about two weeks I think. A couple times two, three times a week. At the end of that time she said that trouble she had had disappeared and she felt quite comfortable.

(3). Crane: You mentioned to me I believe some time ago about a man that had trench mouth. I think he came over from Phoenix, do you remember that case Dr. Tully?

Dr. Tulley: Yes that was a case that came to me bleeding badly and he came in hunting, medical dental building, hunting just any doctor he could get cause he was just kind of worried about it. And the elevator girl told him that she had seen me go into the office just a few moments before. It was early in the morning she could catch me there and felt that he should go over and see me. So he walked in and I gave him a little bit of peroxide I will admit to stop the bleeding there for the moment, but not very much.  Practically nothing and then I turned the Ray (Rife Ray) on him and that was all. No medication whatsoever unless you would call a little peroxide for checking the bleeding that he was worried about. That was all the medical treatment that he had. So I treated him for two or three weeks along, a couple of times a week when he came in here. And that was the only treatment that the man had whatsoever and he never bled again and his mouth cleared all up in a little while. I cleaned his teeth up, sent him away. I've seen him since.

(4). Crane: How many treatments would you say that he had Dr. Tulley. One or two or ten or…?

Dr. Tully: No, it’s usually I give two to three treatments a week over a period of about two weeks for most ordinary things and sometimes longer. I had one lady who was an old lady and she was sort of uneasy and she had butterfly lupus also and that completely cleared up. But after it was cleared up she insisted on going on in having more treatments after that. So we treated her more than two or three weeks. We treated her two or three months I guess and finally she gave up the treatment and I didn't see her for a year. Tut she was in my office two or three days ago and her face was just as clear as anybody and she was very happy about it.

(5). Crane: That is certainly amazing doctor. Ah, I wonder if you could tell me a little bit about the history. How did you happen to meet Dr. Rife and know of his work? And I wonder if you could go back and recall how long ago it was and so on.

Dr. Tully: I can't tell you about that but I can tell how I got in touch with the Ray. I went  through Dr. Couche. But Dr. Couche was using it and I wasn’t acquainted with Dr. Couche or his work 25-30 years ago. But my little boy was acquainted with his little boy going to school and my little boy felt that I was pretty dumb, that I didn't get acquainted with Dr. Couche to see some of the things that Dr. Couche had been doing. And so it was through the little boys that I got acquainted with Dr. Couche and his work and the things that he did with this instrument.

And later on I was able to chisel Dr. Couche out of his machine and began using it myself and began using the information that I was able to get from Dr. Couche because I couldn't at that time get it from anyone else and he gave me about all the information necessary. And it was through Dr. Couche partly and partly through my son who later got acquainted with Dr. Rife and between the two I contacted Dr. Rife and became well acquainted with him and got a great deal more information. But most of the information I've gotten has been the hard way by just research on my own hook, by seeing what happened and by the experience which I have gained by handling a great number of cases.

(6). Crane: Well that’s very interesting. Did you by any chance ever treat a cancer case doctor?

Dr. Tully: I don't like to answer that question because I have treated the cases. Yes, a number of cases, but it's hard to get anyone to believe that anybody but a few, chosen few, could do anything for cance.r But a doctor here in town sent me one case with the lady’s ear gone. She was about 70 years of age. Her ear was two thirds gone and considerable of her neck and part of her face eaten away with the cancer. We treated that cancer for three weeks and it disappeared, dried all up and healed over. We have a few other cases but it seems too tragic almost to mention the thing because the medical profession in general doesn't want any experimentation whatsoever. And don't want anything outside of the regular lines which they're practicing and as they’re largely against this method for some reason I don't know. They’re not given to experiment along that line.

(7). Crane: Ah, in the use of instrument here what general times or periods do you use the instrument in your normal practice? Is it for three minutes or an hour or every day or every three days or what is your normal practice?

Dr. Tully: We believe somehow or other that the instrument is a metabolistic uplift and it will be spread over a time of two or three days. And treatments at two or three days intervals I believe would be satisfactory in most cases. And we use a variable Ray, a different frequency for every different kind of a case that you're handling whether it's Streptococcus or pneumonial-coccus or something else all calls for a different frequency. Perhaps a little different length of time and treatment but the actual time of treating one particular thing is not more than perhaps just a minute or two. But it does not hurt to let the instrument run quite a little while cause there's no damage whatsoever to the tissue. It's a metabolistic uplift but we use perhaps several treatments on the same patient.

One Ray (frequency) for Staphylococcus, another (frequency) for Streptococcus, another for pneumonial-coccus, a different one for cancer and so we may go down the scale and may take up 15 or 20 minutes or a half hour. Or it is possible to use this variable condenser such as you have on a radio and go slowly from one side to the other (sweeping) taking the whole scope of the whole from a low-frequency to a higher one. But in so doing we feel that we lose considerable time because there are is a number of those rays that are not effective or are not doing anything particularly. And if you have a good diagnosis and you know what you’re treating and you know what the frequency is and you know what you're trying to do you can cut the time way down by just simply turning in just exactly what you want and not use anything else.

(8). Crane: Wow, you mentioned several diseases there. What I would like you now, I mentioned once trench mouth, did you ever have any results with pyorrhea I believe that's quite common in the dental practice isn’t it doctor?

Dr. Tully: Well it's just as common as fleas on a dog's back. You find that in every mouth and I treat a great deal of pyorrhea but I use a coagulator, electric coagulator on all pockets instead of surgery. I don't use any surgery anymore. I think it makes the condition worse and destroys too much tissue. But the coagulator removes all the pockets and source of infection and then I follow that up with a cleaning of the mouth, put the mouth in good condition. But I used the Ray more or less over a period of about six months coming in two or three times a week for one or two weeks and then maybe once a week for a while and maybe once a month.

So at the end of six months I look back and see any accumulation because as I said that pyorrhea are something like the fleas on a dog's back. You may clean him up for a little while and get rid of the fleas but if you don't look out he's libel to be contaminated and getting some more fleas again. So with the pyorrhea is somewhat of a systemic disease and it has to be treated somewhat systemically. But the mouth has to be put in the hygienic condition and we use this treatment for that and we have some very nice results along that line.

(9). Crane: Then you feel that possibly some preventative maintenance or preventative treatment might help in eliminating pyorrhea or some of these diseases in the mouth that affects our teeth.

Dr. Tully: Well, I believe in the systemic treatment, especially vitamin C and diet along  that line changing the diet and treating the case systemically. But treating the case in the mouth also treats them systemically and while you’re treating some pyorrhea you’re treating some other diseases of the system that does them some good sometimes.

(10). Crane: What I was trying to get at Dr. Tully, for instance do you think it's possible to give everybody a treatment say once a month as a preventative measure rather than waiting till they become so sick that there in such pain that they just can't stand it and they have to come and have all the surgery done? Do you think it's possible or advisable, would be any benefit to human beings to be treated say at regular intervals for preventative means?

Dr. Tully: No, no I wouldn't say that for the simple reason that a great many people will not have their cancer treated until they're about dead and then it's too late. And there are a great many people who have pyorrhea. They don't have it treated until their teeth start falling out and it's all but impossible to get anybody to take advantage of anything like that. But that was the point that I brought out a few minutes ago in treating my pyorrhea cases over a period of months. I have them come in once in a while and give them a little metabolistic up boost and not caught some of that pyorrhea that might be accumulating until they have over a period a few months gained a resistance that will have helped to carry them on over the months to come without any treatment.

(11). Crane: Have you noticed any other diseases which haven't been mentioned at this time. You mentioned Streptothrix, I mean Streptococcus and trench mouth and cancer and I wonder if you knew of any other diseases that might be treated in your own experience.

Dr. Tully: There's a great many things more than I know anything about. If I had the time and disposition to experiment along those lines, which I don't because I'm not in the general medical practice, simply I'm a dentist. In our home we use it as a cure-all for everything and I myself am susceptible to colds and when I find a cold getting the best of me I’ll use the frequency in the morning and again at noon and again in the evening before I go to bed. And the next morning the cold is all gone and so that's the history and our family over a number of years. We can't keep house in our own family without that Ray and my wife when she gets to feeling kind of indisposed at times she just goes and takes a general treatment there. She don't know why but she says it makes her feel better and it makes her sleep better so she goes and gets a treatment once in a while.

(12). Crane: Well that's certainly interesting. Did you ever have the occasion to use it on skin diseases doctor.

Dr. Tully: Well a number of things it acts very well on. I think most skin diseases in general come from an infection, source of infection, I just gave you a history of three different skin cases there that were all full of the lupus variety tubercular and it seems to be very, very effective in those cases. It's effective in that it's effective in other skin cancerous cases and will dry those up. Will give you considerable impetus to go ahead and try that on anything.

(13). Crane: Yes I should say so. Well thank you very much Dr. Tully and I certainly appreciate the words you have given me and some of your uses of the Dr. Royal R. Rife frequency instrument.

 Dr. Charles F. Tully D. D. S. Talks About Using Rife’s Machine
at the First International Convention of the Rife Virus Microscope.
May 7th, 1960.

This talk was transcribed from the original recordings.
Copyright 2011

1. John Crane: Are you ready doctor? And now I think that we will bring Dr. Tully up to the stand. Dr. Tully has worked here in San Diego for many years. He used to have three offices here in town. He would travel from one to the other. He's been quite a research man himself. He has worked with quite a few patients in the medical profession. He is a dental surgeon and currently he has an office here in town on Logan Avenue. Ten years ago, Dr. Tully, helped us a great deal and we set up a laboratory in one of his homes over in Ocean Beach. At this time I would like to introduce our good friend and another one of our honorary members, Dr. Charles F. Tully.

2. Dr. Tully: Mr. Crane, those who are assembled, I am very happy to be here today and perhaps I might give you something as quickly as possible that would be interesting to you. So by way of explanation, I would like to say I took two years of medicine and at that time I had to discontinue in order to complete my course and receive my degree in dental surgery. I have followed that ever since, however, but as a medical man I have no quarrel with our medical profession. But I have sort of parted company with them a good many years ago for the simple reason that I have lost confidence in some of their procedures, owing to the fact that they are too quick on the gun. They used too big a shots and have made their patients "shot conscious" and when their patients come to them they expect a heroic shot and a heroic pill and a heroic treatment, for that's the order of the day. Their patients expect that, and if they don't get it they will start out looking for somebody who has got somebody who has a pretty big heavy shot to give them. I don't look down upon them for that at all, but I do believe that those heroic methods of treatment are not effective, well, they are effective in some cases but I do believe that the continued use of such medication not only tears down the ability of the body to resist that infection, but it also leaves the body in a depleted condition where it is difficult to build back up to a healthy state. So, I have no kick coming at medics but long ago I have believed in some of the procedures which you have nowadays amongst a great many of the laity and going to many of the old-fashioned remedies for instance.

The old bread and milk poultice which is very effective for a boil. And many, many medics will tell you today that it was entirely harmless and it was effective but they don't use it because it is a little old-fashioned. But ideas of that kind of dietetics and right living and getting away from the powerful dosages are the things that many of us have in our hearts a great longing for. And so that has driven me many years ago to the investigation of what you see here today. But I was a little afraid of that to begin with because I was afraid of the x-ray, it was dangerous. I bear in my left hand scars of the x-ray that nearly lost me my arm. So I gave my x-ray away to some of my Mexican friends in Tijuana who wanted one because I didn't need it anyway more. I get along without it very well. I didn't want it. I still don't want it. But I was a little afraid of this, it looks like an x-ray, but it isn't. So I didn't know what to think, but I intended to investigate first if it was any good and secondly if it was any harm. I found at first that it was neither of what I thought it to be. But the first thing I began to do was to begin to go into the laboratory to see what it was like. I am intimately acquainted with Dr. Yale and knew what he had done. I knew Dr. Couche back for years and knew what he was doing. I know some of the other men. I know what John Crane here has been doing for years. I'm familiar with all that, but I wanted to find something in my own life that would check up and I would know what I was doing. And so I went into the laboratory. I used Dr. Rife's microscope, I talked to him, I saw what he was doing, I saw what others were doing, and I began to experiment.

Now, if you folks will stand beside me while I am operating and see me take out 32 teeth, tear the gums back, take a rasp and saw off the bones and knock off the chips, you would say if he's a dental surgeon, I never saw one. But when I get through with that old jaw bone it looks more like the dogs have been chewing at it than a first-class surgeon. And then I have to get busy and repair the damage and bring the gums all back nicely and sew them so carefully that when after a while I take the mirror and say, "Well, now you can look at it," they think that maybe I wasn't such a bad surgeon after all. But I knew better because underneath those beautiful stitches I saw just a chewed up hamburger steak, that I felt sorry for. So what did I do?

Getting the hamburger idea, I went out to the butcher shop and I got me some hamburger. I took it home after the butcher had gotten through handling it. I took it in my own dirty hands, not clean washed up sterile hands. And I took some of that hamburger and I poked it down in a bottle, put a cork in it and sealed it up. Well, I said that is something like what I have left when I get through with my surgery. So, I took that bottle and I put it under the Ray (Rife Ray), not for one day, but for several days to see what would happen, but the next day after using that bottle I expected to see the hamburger all black and full of whiskers. It wasn't. The next day I gave it another jolt and another jolt and another jolt. In three or four days I set it away on the shelf. That was ten years ago. About a year after that I looked at the hamburger and it looked just like it did when I put it in the bottle. Two years after that it wasn’t so nice and pink, but it was sort of white, like the hamburger that comes out of the butcher shop two or three days old. But three years after it was sort of brown. Ten years after it was more brown. You can take that brown bottle of hamburger there, if you want, and pass it down the table. There is the hamburger in the bottle, no preservative, just as it came out of my dirty hands and the butcher's dirty hands and stuffed down in that bottle and corked up.

Then I tried another experiment and I got a few grapes. I went to the store and I found a box and down in the bottom of that box I found a few old slimy grapes. I picked those up and cut them up and put them in bottles, there, ten years ago and turned the Ray on them. You won't find any whiskers in those bottles either and they look just about as bad today as they did when I took them out of the box, but they aren't any worse. So you can pass those along for the folks to look at.

Now, I did another thing. These were practical experiments. I'm not going into the medical end of anything today because I don't have the time. I took a little jar, about that big around, a glass jar with a nice little cover on it. I didn't wash it out or clean it out particularly. It didn't have any dirt in it, but it wasn't sterile and I cracked an egg, put it in that little jar and put the lid on it. I sealed it and put it under the Ray. Well, you know what happens to an egg when you crack it. When it sits around a few days and it is not in the refrigerator or anything, you know what happens. Well, after a month or two I looked at the egg and it looked as though it had just come out of the shell. Two or three years after that, I notice though, that the same thing had happened here. The light coming through the glass and the yoke of that egg had begun to turn light colored. It had lost its yellow and it had begun to get sort of white, but it never did lose all of its color, but it was lighter colored. Instead of being sort of reddish it had become more yellow. That went on for four or five years.

After a while when some my friends were examining it and throwing it around, the yoke broke. I was sorry I said, "I wonder now if after all these years something has gone wrong with that. I'm going to take that apart and see what it smells like because you know after an egg has laid around for four or five years it hadn’t ought to smell very good, had it? Well, I broke the seal and I took it off. I looked in it and it just looked like scrambled eggs. I smelled it and it didn't smell like a spoiled egg. It smelled like something just ready for the frying pan. Well, I didn't fry it and I didn't eat it, but I'm sure if I had been hungry I could have. And I have been sorry ever since that I didn't do it because I believe that it would have just been scrambled eggs and would have been alright. It had no bad smell. You folks know a bad egg when you see it.

After I began to use the instrument in my office, I used it for everything under the sun from ingrown toenails to falling hair. I have proved to myself and have proved to my family and I have proved to my patients that it is not dangerous. But even if a person just sat and got under the effect of the Ray, they would go to bed that night and sleep better because there is a metabolistic uplift. When you have the flu or when you are sick we turn it on just for the fun and let it go. We all gather around it and it gives you a nice, pleasant feeling. It gets you just a little better after it.

One day I went into the office and I was so sick with the flu that I was just staggering. And I said, "Oh, I can't take care of business. I've got to go home. Just tell the girl to lock the door and get rid of all my people. I'm just dizzy." I went and laid down under the machine (Rife Machine) and turned her loose. And then I turned it off and I laid there a little while and I turned it on again. I had a temperature of 102° that morning. By noon I had a temperature of 100°. By the time I went home that night it was down to just a little bit over normal. I went home and had a good sleep and got up and went to work the next morning. That's what it does to me. There is nothing dangerous about it. I had no bad effects whatsoever. That is why everyone in our family uses it almost daily. And I use it on these extraction cases because I know what it did to the hamburger. I will be stepping out of my sphere to tell you some of the other things that I did with it. I treat everything and I have found it effective in a great many things. But I won't tell you that it is a sure cure for everything. There are certain things it will not touch. But I believe it is a great step forward and it is something that should be very beneficial to humanity. I thank you much.

 Dr. Robert P. Stafford, M.D. Talks
About Using The Rife Machine On His Patients

This summary of Dr. Robert P. Stafford’s experiences using Dr. Rife’s machine was recorded by Dr. Stafford and sent to Dr. Rife, John Crane and John Marsh in the spring of 1959.

Transcribed from the original recordings Copyright 2011.

(1). Dr. Stafford: Now today, I would like to summarize several of the cases that I have worked on here in Dayton during the past year and a half. Since my most fortuitous meeting with my old friend John Marsh, I believe that was around August 1957, at that time John came to the office with his wife who had some little illness. During and following the treatment of his wife, John told me that he was engaged in a very interesting work in California. He was kind enough to explain some of this work to me and of course the things that John Marsh had to say about the Rife equipment, was most phenomenal and at the time it seemed almost unbelievable. I have, fortunately, been able to observe several of the things that were mention to actually exist and therefore I feel bound to set forth these things as I have seen them by letter, by personal message and to carry on the work here in Dayton wherever I am able to do so, wherever the work would be applicable.

(2). Several months after my initial meeting with John Marsh I had the fortunate experience of applying the Royal R. Rife therapy to two of my patients with cancer who were at the time confined to College Hill Hospital. Both of these patients were in a terminal state. I discussed the situation with their husbands, respectively, and the husbands agreed to support the transfer of the Rife equipment to College Hill Hospital and in the fall around October 1957, the therapy was initiated. The first of these two cases was that of an eighty-year-old white, married woman who had been admitted to College Hill Hospital several weeks prior the initiation of Rife therapy. At this time Nellie Bias was suffering from extreme congestive heart failure and at the same time with extensive carcinomatosis with metastasis from a primary lesion in the left breast, to the right breast to the right axilla, to the cervical end of the neck. Mrs. Bias was given the supportive therapy that is customary for cardiac failure and she showed remarkable response to this.

Approximately 40 pounds of water was removed from her edematous body. This left Mrs. Bias in a terminal cachectic state in which she was unable to swallow, even small amounts of water or eat anything but the very minimal amount of soft non-residue food, when she would try to eat this food she would gag and cough and it would tend to go into the trachea. She would have severe paroxysm of coughing. Many of these paroxysms seemed to portend the very end for Mrs. Bias.

Now, following the 4th or 5th treatment, which was given, each treatment about an interval of about 72 hours prior, Mrs. Bias began to find that she could swallow a little better. The general nursing care was relieved. Her strength seemed to return slightly. Although in parentheses I would state that after each treatment she became quite lethargic, drowsy for a period of 24 to 36 hours and then would brighten up considerably until the time of the next treatment. A most remarkable change began to be observed in the extensive metastatic carcinoma, especially noted in the right breast. The extension of this carcinoma to the right breast had produced ulceration and secondary infection and the odor was characteristically foul of such a lesion.

Likewise Mrs. Bias’s right arm was nearly bound to her side by the extensive metastatic lesions in her axilla. Now these lesions were biopsied and sent to two laboratories to confirm the diagnosis of carcinomatosis metastatic from the breast. This was confirmed beyond a shadow of a doubt. Pictures were taken of the right and left breast when we began to see an improvement. And these pictures are a matter of record in my files. Mrs. Bias’ general condition improved remarkably. She regained much of her strength; she no longer was bedfast, as she had been. She traveled by herself to the bathroom and out into the lobby of the hospital and her appetite increased and her ability to eat increased to the point where she insisted on her husband, the dear and tender man that he was, to bring her some extra food from outside for she was able to eat again and she had much to catch up on.

Another remarkable clinical demonstration of improvement occurred in her right arm in that she could now raise the arm and comb her hair and bring the elbow clear up to the level of the ear which was an impossible feat for her to perform prior to this therapy. Now Mrs. Bias was an irascible lady, God rest her soul, and though she was always very fine to the gentlemen, she seemed to have a tendency to dislike others of her own sexual characteristics and one day when she was about to get back into bed, and the kind nurse was trying to help her, she threw her arm back to push the nurse away saying, I can do it myself, and in that spinning motion and with her advanced years of 83, she spun to the side and fell. Unfortunately, and it so often occurs to folks in their eightieth years, a fall seems to bring on a shock-like state. This is not the same type of shock apparently that we see in blood loss or after an automobile accident but it seems to be a mental shock. This mental shock seems to pervade the entire organism and I have seen many older patients who have sustained a fall even without fracture, go downhill and die. That is exactly the case of Mrs. Bias.

Following this fall, she seemed to be in a dazed state and within a week she had developed severe pulmonary edema which of course we attributed to her failing heart. Despite medication and a slight rally she again lapsed into pulmonary edema and secondary bronchial pneumonia and died on the 15th of December, 1957 at 9 o'clock in the morning.

Autopsy was performed by Dr. Robert Zip and Dr. John Osborne at Miami Valley Hospital and the complete autopsy report is in our files. I shall not go into the complete detail of this report but suffice it to say that because of the interest in the cancer progress in this patient the tongue, esophagus and trachea, were removed from the neck along with the para-esophageal and tracheal nodes and the cervical nodes and a careful microscopic examination was performed on this structure as well as on the remaining part of the body, especially the breast and the axilla. These tissues were found to be normal. There was no sign of carcinoma in any area of the body with one exception. There was still remaining at the sight of the primary cancer in the left breast a mass of tissue showing adenocarcinoma which was described as probably primary in the breast. The pathologist stated quote, "the neoplasm cells showed hyperchromatism anaplasia and mitosis. Some of the cells are evacuated and there is moderate edema. There are bands of connective tissue between clumps of neoplasm cells. This shows no characteristic deterioration changes, or changes in the pathology of the cancer cell” unquote.

The summary of the pathology report at autopsy as quoted: "This 70 year old female (and that is wrong. It is 83 year old) died as result of the combined effects of severe arteriosclerotic cardiac ischemia and carcinoma of the breast with a terminal bronchial pneumonia. The pathological diagnosis was stated as bronchial pneumonia, bi- lateral, generalized arteriosclerosis, arterial nephrosclerosis, carcinoma, left breast with metastases locally, post radiation status." The last statement of status post-radiation is very interesting in that Mrs. Bias at no time received any X-ray or radioactive isotopic therapy. Therefore this diagnosis, of course, would have to be challenged.

(3). The second case that I wish to report is that of Dorthy Cartwright, aged 50 who had had a hysterectomy, followed by extensive X-ray therapy, for a carcinoma of the cervix. This operation had been done in December of 1956 and the patient, following the extensive radiation, had developed a rectal vaginal fistula. She had progress downhill. She had lost weight. She had developed fecal incontinence and the stools moving thought the vaginal tract. She had been having much pain in the pelvis and the back and when she was finally admitted to College Hill Hospital in the fall of 1957 she was having gross bloody stools and extensive pain that could not be relieved by oral medication alone.

She was given therapy every third day at the same time and in the same room, as a matter of fact as Mrs. Bias. Mrs. Cartwright’s mental apparatus was functioning much more clearly than Mrs. Bias. Of course she was almost half the age of the elder and she was a rather pleasant woman except that she was under great duress with this extensive pain which she had constantly and this very foul situation of the bowel movements passing through the vagina. Following the very first treatment with the Royal Rife apparatus the gross hematuria ceased. This was most spectacular and following the 6th or 7th treatment the pain of Mrs. Cartwright ordeal seemed to be diminishing. We were able to reduce the pain medication and Mrs. Cartwright began to eat better.

She was a very heavy smoker. We did not request her to change her habits in this regard but Mrs. Cartwright's progress seemed to be so good that in about 4 weeks I was prompted to call her surgeon, Dr. Robert Snyder, and request that he consider doing a colostomy to clean up this perennial difficulty. Dr. Snyder was very cooperative and was willing to transfer Mrs. Cartwright to Miami Valley Hospital again for a colostomy operation. I told Dr. Snyder at this time, that we were working with a very interesting procedure hoping that we could alleviate some of Mrs. Cartwright's difficulty and I challenged him to look carefully in the abdomen when he went in to do this procedure to see if he could find any evidence of metastatic carcinoma.

This he did and he was unable to find any evidence of an extension of carcinoma or any evidence of any carcinoma tissue intraperitoneal. This of course was encouraging but the note of caution was sounded, following his exploration, in that he noted extensive scarring involving the adnexa of the pelvis and incorporating the ureters approximate to the insertion of the bladder. This had actually produced a pyonephrosis of the right kidney and ureter and was producing a hydronephrosis on the left ureter. Dr. Snyder felt that this was an inevitable situation. That probably nothing further could be done surgically to alleviate this drainage problem.

Following surgery, Mrs. Cartwright regained much of her strength. She ate very well, she was much brighter and she was up and about and was sent home. Unfortunately, after she was home a short time she had finally a closure of the left ureter and developed a very rapid progressive uremia. The BUN rose to 90 and she had all of the clinical evidence of terminal uremia. Because of the anatomical picture and the probably end result we did not feel justified to do any further surgery, in an effort to relieve this cicatrix of the ureter. Mrs. Cartwright died in College Hill Hospital and an autopsy was performed on her case at the Miami Valley Hospital by Dr. Zip. The gross impression was that she died of confluent bilateral bronchial pneumonia, uremia hydronephrosis of the right kidney and bionephrosis of the left kidney. My report was inverted there on the kidney. Carcinoma of the uterus was only a clinical diagnosis in the there was no uterus there to examine. A pelvic mass was noted. Cicatrix from post eradiation and they mentioned that she had a post colon resection with proximal and distal colostomy and a post hysterectomy. No actual evidence was found in the autopsy of Dorothy Cartwright that there as any active carcinoma cells growing at the time of her death in her body. Following the observation of these two patients, in the fall of 1957 I was forced to believe that the Rife apparatus had some definite beneficial effect in alleviating symptomatology of cancer and in affecting the cancer tissue.

(4). Further work now had to be done to show what this effect was and how effective this might be on other cases. A tremendous challenge presented itself and we set about in a methodical way to develop a series of cases, minor cases and major cases, which we could eventually bind together to show what this form of energy was actually producing in the human and animal tissue. Along with John Marsh, I ran several cases through the office of minor complaints. These people were advised that this was a form of investigational therapy. That we made no claim as to the efficiency of this treatment, but we felt there would be no harmful effect since we had tested this for X-ray emanation and found it lacking in that respect. Fortunately we had tested it in several other ways in an attempt to find out what form of energy we were using. This form of energy seemed to center itself in the field of radio wave vibrations, high energy oscillations; and we felt that this form of energy, as far as we knew in the present had never had a effect detrimentally to human tissue; and therefore because of experimentation that Dr. Rife had carried on previously and some of the work that we had done, we felt that it was safe to try this form of therapy on several cases.

(5). One case, that of Harry L. Bim we used the machine on his case. He was suffering with diverticulitis and he was also having a great deal of urinary and bladder difficulty. We gave him 6 treatments and Mr. Bim has been one of our most enthusiastic supporters ever since. He felt that he had received untold benefit in his bladder difficulty. Mr. Bim had previously had resection of the prostate for carcinoma of the prostate, and he is convinced that his clinical symptomatology of urgency and frequency and hematuria were improved tremendously following this therapy. He has begged for repeat therapy but because of our overall program, we haven't had the opportunity to give him further treatment as yet. Interestingly enough, despite a high uric acid, correction, alkaline phosphatase and acid phosphatase level, Mr. Bim seemed to remain free from the signs of the signs of carcinomatosis, which might be suspected in the presents of such high acid and alkaline phosphatase levels.

(6). The 4th case that I would like to report on is that of Robert Clifford , 58 year old white man who at the Veterans Hospital 6 months previous to the therapy and since that time he had been bothered greatly by frequent, urgency and hematuria. Now, he was given so many of the conventional treatments including anti-spasmotics and urinary antiseptics, to no avail, and when advised that we would try this for him with making no claims to efficiency, he said anything would be very welcome that would have any chance of helping.

Now following his first treatment he noticed less burning, but no change in the frequency and urgency of urinating, but had only noticed blood once in three days since the first treatment. Following the 2nd treatment he was feeling much better. He had only a little burning and much less frequency but the urgency was the same. The stream was twice as large but there was no bleeding at all. Interestingly enough, he had a bronchitis which didn't seem to change in its characteristics during the entire therapy. After the 3rd treatment there was no blood and the burning was much less, and often no burning was noted at all. The urgency did not change, but nocturia which had been 4 or 5 times a night had reduced to once. He had less cough but he was still wheezing. Now, on following the next treatment he was feeling very well, his wife and his associates had noticed a big improvement in him.

And interestingly he stated that on "beggars night" when the children rang the bell, many times he was very much amused by their antics and he knew that if he hadn't been improved so dramatically, he would have been quite an old grouch with so much interruption on that night. And finally after his 6th treatment he had noted no bleeding and he was feeling very good and he still had the urgency. Now this sequela came to this report came several months later when he returned to the Veterans Hospital and they cystoscoped him again and interestingly he was found to have a calculus in the bladder. This calculus had apparently been there ever since the transurethral resection and probably had formed around the in dwelling catheter that had been used at that time. This calculus obviously was irritating the lining of the bladder, setting up this cystitis, and despite our therapy which relieved the infection, probably, and relieved some of the inflammation; the calculus was still in the bladder and was still producing this feeling of urgency. A side note at this point. All along I have learned and re-learned, and established one very necessary principle that this form of therapy, like any other form of therapy, will never replace careful diagnosis, careful evaluation of the patient and a continuing interest in doing everything within the medical field possible to improve the patient's condition. The Rife Machine, this is a little bit of philosophy that I have now worked out, the Rife Machine along with any other great form of therapy is no substitute for careful medical care.

(7). Now the next case I would like to discuss is that of James Garrison, 37 year old white man who had been to Montreal and had brain surgery at that point where they discovered that he had an astrocytoma in the left sylvianfossa. This surgery was done in 1952 and following that, several years later he had recurrent symptoms in the right arm and leg with weakness in these extremities, and unreliability in walking, and he had difficulty in saying the word "flagrant". Now after treatment, the first treatment, he stated that he felt very nervous in the evening following that treatment, and he took a hot bath and he noticed intense itching from the groin to the ankle along the inner side of the right leg; but following that he noticed less weakness in this leg.

Following his second treatment he stated that he was very confused following the second treatment. He’d become very confused and he felt like he might be getting another seizure. He had had some seizures and he had been controlled partly by phenobarbital and other anti- epileptic medication. Following the third treatment he noticed some hiccupping and this was relieved with thorazine. He had slight nausea but there was a decreased amount of stool. Interestingly enough, he was able to say "flagrant" at this time, and he was very happy about this. He felt that it was a sign of some improvement. Now, we continued our therapy for Mr. Garrison and following these treatments each time, he had noticed quite a dopiness and a drowsiness or a change in his mentality for about 24 hours. And then he would feel better and he’d feel stronger. He saw Dr. Fabein in Cincinnati after the 5th treatment, and Dr. Fabein said to Mr. Garrison "I never heard of such things," when he explained his symptoms. '

Now despite our therapy, Jim seemed to get weaker, and so in the spring of 1958 he went back to Montreal. There he was given intensive doses of radiation and the people in Montreal were very pleased with his progress. He has returned and at the present time, except for looking like Yul Bryner with his hair burned out with x-ray; he has been in very good condition. We do not know, of course, how much of this is due to the therapy we gave, or how much could be attributed to the radiation given in Montreal, but this much we can say, if it takes 2 forms of therapy to cure a man let’s give him two forms. Again, let’s not deprive anyone of anything that can make them well.

(8). Following the treatments in the office with some of the minor complaints, I sent a questionnaire to many of these patients. This questionnaire was sent 6 months after the cessation of therapy and interestingly enough I received 100% returns on these questionnaires. The general cooperation that I obtained was very encouraging. The patients who had been given this form of therapy, although not all had received definite benefits, all did seem very grateful that we had made an effort to help them. No one mentioned in any way any detrimental effect of this therapy, and so I want to read at this time a comment from one of these patients who had a poison ivy.

(9). This patient, Dorothy Johnson, came over for therapy at the suggestion of John Marsh. She was a friend of John's and I will read what she said, "Requested treatment for severe case of poison ivy involving lower extremities, bottoms of both feet heavily blistered for 4 days, the discomfort of itching was unbearable, treatment was given at end of 4th day. That night itching arrested and no further discomfort was felt. The processes of healing required about 2 weeks. No further spreading during this time was manifested. Only precaution used was frequent bathing with Fels Naptha soap and sterile bandaging of broken skin areas. There was no further infection. "As I have never had poison ivy before," she says, "just what value this treatment was in this case could best be judged by a medical practitioner and you Dr. Stafford can best answer this. Rest assured if I am ever again unfortunate enough to get mixed up with this weed, I shall not delay 4 days, a request for the same treatment.”

(10). This same experience was noted in my own family. My oldest daughter, Ann, who is now 12, had a severe case of poison ivy last summer. I keep a nice poison ivy weed bed out in the back yard for such experimentation (small laugh), and Ann came in and she has always been quite susceptible to this weed. She was very miserable. We treated her and very promptly as in the case of Dorothy Johnson, she noted relief of the itching and the lesions dried and disappeared. She is a true devotee of the Rife machine as a matter of fact all of my family are.

(11). My wife has experience a marked improvement in her general well-being, in her feeling, she had had lower abdominal cramping, some cramping with her menstrual periods and I gave her some treatments, imperially, and interesting enough, she has had much better health since that time. She feels better and I would hasten to say that she is even more beautiful. That's a testimony for the time I have spent on this project.

(12). Now, my other three children beside Ann have all had a crack at this form of therapy and have all benefited. Susan, my 10 year old girl had some very aggravating dermatosis of her feet, athlete's foot type thing, last fall around Christmas time and so did my youngest, Patty, and so I treated both of these girls and very promptly their itching cleared up; and shortly following that the lesions in the skin, the cracking and so on disappeared. The blisters also disappeared. I treated not only their feet but the shoes that they wear and this we had worked out in the fall on another case, which I will report later.

(13). Now my boy David also, 7 years old, has had several treatments with this machine. The most remarkable time was the time that my wife and I were about to go on a trip and David and the children were staying with the grandmothers. And David that morning awakened with a high fever and a sore throat and just a miserable upper respiratory infection. I gave him a treatment at 10 o'clock. We were prepared to delay our departure and possibly even postpone it and actually during the treatment the boy brightened up. He was being held by his grandmother and he just seemed to brighten up and he began to perspire and his temperature dropped, and believe me, it was almost unbelievable the difference in the boy after that treatment. Now, just what happened I can't say but we went on the trip and we called back and he just continued to improve and had no relapsed and it was all cleared up. This was in the spring of 1958.

(14). Another very interesting episode was with my little girl, 5 years old Patty. All fall and winter this year she seemed to have one cold after another, and her adenoids and tonsils became affected by this and became enlarged and even when she wasn't having any acute infection, she did definitely have obstructive tonsils and adenoids. None of my children have had surgery for their tonsils and adenoids but I felt that Patty would be the first who would have to succumb to this. I had even talked to one of the local doctors here about the possibility of removing the tonsils and adenoids this May, this month, and I thought I will give our little girl three or four treatments with the Rife machine over the neck glands and see if we can’t maybe prevent this surgery.

Believe it or not, my wife and I were just talking this week about how much better she seems. In the past month she hasn't breathed with the obstructions, she has been eating much more and she’s behaving very similar to the way most children do after an adenoid-tonsillectomy when they have had a lot of trouble over a long period of time. They began to eat better, they sleep better, they breathe better and Patty has certainly responded to these treatments in a very similar way. I talked to the other doctor just today in the halls of the hospital and told him that I thought possibly we can postpone that operation, that Patty seems so much better. I didn't tell him why but someday I will. I hope to be able to tell him why this girl got better and of course that day may come very soon.

(15). Along this same line I treated my mother, through the winter of 1957 and 1958 she was having a lot of discomfort in her abdomen, upper abdomen. She had a gallstone and she was losing some weight and she was feeling very badly. She had some neuritis and bursitis. We gave her some treatments and she absolutely claims that she knows she had felt much better from the time she had her first treatment with the Rife machine. Because of the dangers of carcinoma, chronic irritation in the gallstone, we decided to remove the gall bladder and the stone which Dr. Damster did in the spring of 1958. My mother has certainly made a tremendous improvement. She went through the surgery beautifully, her post-surgical course was as fine as anyone could have, and both she and myself feel that very likely her nice recovery from the surgery could be partially, at least attributed to, the benefits she obtained with her previous treatments with the Rife machine. I believe that we eliminated, or at least partially eliminated much of the infection that always is found in the gall bladder wall when cholelithiasis is present; and this infection and inflammation extends up into the liver which is contiguous with the gall bladder, and of course produces a focus of infection that takes a lot of a person's energy, and I believe that, possibly, by giving her these treatments prior to surgery, we got her into the best pre-operative state possible, and thereby she had a very uneventful post-surgical course.

(16). Now, another case that I would like to mention in my own family is that of my little nephew. He is not little really anymore. He is 17 years old, Bobby Lori (pronounced Lor-eye). Now this boy approximately 7 or 8 years ago when I first noticed some deep pigmentation in his left arm, and as soon as I saw it and noticed some of the muscle atrophy, I was quite sure that we were dealing the scleroderma. I sent this boy down to Dr. Welsh in Cincinnati. Dr. Welsh confirmed the diagnosis of scleroderma and set out upon some of the empirical forms of therapy that are used for this form of scleroderma. Dr. Welsh has treated Robert (Bobby) and has seen him every three months past 5 or 6 years. Has given him various forms of therapy which are recommended for scleroderma. Dispite this around Christmas 1957 I first noticed a marked progression of the scleroderma. I hadn’t been watching Bob very much and my sister, Betty, had called this to my attention - how the pigmentation was extending up over his left shoulder and how much more atrophic the eminence in the hand had become. Bob had gotten so he wouldn't carry his books, for instance, in his left hand because of the weakness noted.

And so I suggested that we contact you, John and find out if this kind of therapy was of any value, and you at that time gave me very good guidance - that Dr. Rife felt that we could treat scleroderma very much like we would treat TB. So we did the same and we followed the advice that you gave us and treated Bob Lori and I asked Betty, my sister, to make a chart of the areas of depigmentation and to watch these areas and see what changes might occur over the next several months. To summarize, Bob now seems much stronger. His general health seems better, his left arm is stronger. The atrophy in his left thumb has decreased, the depigmentation that was noticed in the left shoulder area has disappeared and it is almost fantastic the changes that have occurred. Dr. Welch has not been informed of the therapy that we used concurrently with his, and of course he is quite pleased with Bob's progress. At the proper time I will bring this forth and describe this to Dr. Welch and others.

(17). I want to describe another case of a skin lesion, that of Robert Witte, a 15 year old boy who had had severe athlete's foot with secondary infection. This skin condition had been bothering this boy for several years. During the last six months prior to treatment he had had very severe infection and cellulitis secondary infection in the cracks of the toes, skin of the feet. He had seen two dermatologists. I had tried also to treat him with gentian violet and other topical applications. I had been able to control the secondary infection, the cellulitis with antibiotics, but we were unable to impress the basic fungus infection in any way.

We gave this boy some treatments with the Rife machine. Twenty four hours following the first treatment the itching that had been very intense and aggravating had disappeared. And 72 hours after the first treatment the weeping and the oozing of the serum from the cracks in the skin had ceased. This boy was treated, given three treatments. His shoes were treated along with the feet and he has been practically free of difficulty at this time. This, I think was one of the most phenomenal of the cases that I saw treated in the original study.

(18). I would like also to record on this tape another minor case of my office secretary, Mable Yoman who is quite a convert to the Rife form of therapy following her remarkable recovery in 12 hours from a severe follicular tonsillitis. This girl had been very interested in our work, seeing John Marsh and myself in conference and treating others. One week about Wednesday, she developed quite a severe sore throat. My assistant had put her on Achromycin and had given her some Combiotic, that's penicillin and streptomycin and this was repeated on Friday. She saw me and I told her to continue the Achromycin and more Combiotic and on Sunday noon she called me at my home.

This girl was not a hysterical type person; she was very level headed. She knew how jealously we guarded our few minutes off on Sundays and I am sure that she hated to call me on Sunday, but she was in very severe condition. Severe sore throat, a lot of pain; and I think she thought she just wouldn't be able to get back to work if something heroic wasn't done for her at that time. Well, I told her that we had done just about everything that we could do except that we had the Rife apparatus there if she wanted to meet me at the College Hill hospital that afternoon that I would give her a treatment. This we did, and lo and behold the next morning she said as she reported to work, she said she felt fine. Her throat still had white exudates over the tonsils but observing those over the next couple of days and taking no medication her throat cleared up promptly and she had no reoccurrence or sequel to this tonsillitis.

She said in her six-month follow-up that she felt partially relieve in 12 hours and completely relieved shortly thereafter. She says that, "I believe that the Rife machine has a definite future and is of great value to our patients as well as many other people, especially in the treatment of cancer. I also feel that anyone receiving treatment with the machine for any length of time would feel extremely better. I have been very enthusiastic about this type of treatment and continue to feel that way. I am hoping for a lot of progress in the promotion of the machine as I feel that it will benefit many people and help them to live longer and happier lives.” This was the tone of most of the patients that we treated. They couldn't sometimes put their finger directly on what to say but they felt down deep that they had benefited and they express themselves so in our questionnaire.

(19). A short while ago in recording I mentioned that all of my family were impressed by the effects of this machine. I failed to mention one of the closest and dearest to my heart, my little 12 year old cocker dog. Old Skipper had been quite a companion to me in the Navy, he traveled with me, he made house calls with me, he would walk from the office to my home, or from the hospital to home. He seemed to have an unusual ability to think and to perform. Now, old Skipper had for the past year prior to his first treatment with the Rife machine, developed severe arthritis. This kept Skip from being able to even get into the automobile and so he stayed at home. And he seemed to adjust to the change in life's pace, but he got to the place where his hind quarters were so feeble that he would shake and tremble as he would stand to eat. And it was actually painful to see the old dog trying to get up after he had been lying down a while.

I talked to John Marsh about this and I said, now “John”, sort of joking with him a little I said "John if this machine that is so wonderful, and of course this was just in the first few days of its use in Dayton, I said, "John, if this machine is so wonderful, why don't you cure my dog?" And John, with a very confident statement said, "We shall." He said, "We will give it a treatment tomorrow.” So, we did, we got the machine and we treated old Skip. Twenty four hours later I was eating in the dining room and the dog came in and he just had such a sassy look on his face which I hadn't seen for quite a while. He had been moping around for months. But I had some graham crackers there and I held one up and I said "beg" and the dog sat right up on his haunches and begged as he had begged in days of yore. My wife was sitting at the table and we looked at each other and we could scarcely believe what we had seen, for this dog hadn’t even been able to stand on his hind legs, let alone sit up on them for months.

Well, this progress we watched very closely. We gave Skipper some more treatments and lo and behold, not to dramatize the story too greatly, for it is very dramatic. This dog got to the place where he could again ride, get into the car, jump in and out, could sit up and jump up and he can go out on the ice in the tennis court in the winter. He could play, he could bat his legs at me and we used to box, shadow box, and he could do that again. He actually looks like a pup and he is 12 years old and since his treatments, I see no sign of aging. This report on the dog I think is rather significant, for my colleague, one of my colleagues, has felt in the early stages of this procedure that possibly we were hypnotizing our patients into thinking they would feel better, since they could see the blue light. And he will admit and did admit that probably it would be a little difficult to hypnotize the dog into thinking that he would feel better when a blue light was pushed around in front of him. So, the dog did seem to open a new horizon to therapy or to the acceptance of this form of therapy here among some of my skeptical colleagues.

(20). I do not say this, cynically, for I think that skepticism is a very important part of science. If we go overboard without proper controls in our experimentation, if we feel that one experiment proves the whole works, we are very likely to be let down at some later time. I feel skepticism has its place but I feel also that we must be able to evaluate what we see with our own eyes. We must try to keep an open mind as we work with new things. For history is full of incidences where we have grasped knowledge, and in trying to show this to others they have repeatedly been discouraged, but in the end, in all of life's progress, I believe that history will show that in something that is worthwhile it will be accepted.

(21). In conclusion I want to state at the present time I am treating two more cancer patients at Good Samaritan Hospital. Both cases are progressing encouragingly. The first case is that of Joe Barnett a 55 year old white man who has a carcinoma of the stomach. On the 30th of March Dr. Damstra and myself removed the stomach and the spleen and the microscopic study of the specimens revealed that this was a highly pleomorphic anaplastic carcinoma which had infiltrated into the local lymph nodes and into a portion of the pancreas. Therefore Dr. Damstra and myself, both felt that this was a case that would not be benefited by other form of therapy. We used the Rife apparatus and gave Joe 8 treatments. Joe noted immediate relief of pain after the first treatment. He was able to sleep better after that. He seemed to improve, his appetite improved. He did have a complication of a small leakage at the anastomotic site but he seemed to recover from this remarkably well and that possibly was due to the fact we were able to keep the infection out of the peritoneum. And he has gone home and he is gaining some weight. And we are treating him every Saturday. I am going to continue that for another month at least.

(22). The second case is that of Ernest Wilkins, who is 59 years old. Ernest has been a heavy smoker for 40 years and it now is possibly the result of that or something he has developed an anaplastic carcinoma of the bronchus, the left main stem branchus. This has produced atelectasis to the left lower lobe. Ernest has lost weight. He had a bad cough with productive blood sputum and in addition Ernest has serological evidence of syphilis. This had been treated previously, twice, and I gave him a round of penicillin for good measure in the fall when we first discovered this lesion. Dr. Gall and Dr. Dunmark two chest men here in Dayton are working with me on this case at Good Samaritan and they feel that Ernest has passed the point for any help from ordinary therapy and they concur that it is perfectly proper to use this form of therapy Rife Machine.

Now Joe has had two treatments and I saw him today in the hospital. He is very encouraged, the way he feels, he has noted as most of the very sick people will have noticed a marked drowsiness and lethargy in the 24 hours following treatment. But this is the third day following his second treatment and he is beginning to feel very good. He’s had a marked reduction in the racking cough that he had previously and he is gaining a pound and a half a day for the last three days which is remarkable. And he is eating well and he is really showing remarkable improvement. It is too soon yet to make much evaluation on either Joe Barnett or Ernest Wilkins case but you can rest assured that close evaluation will be made on these two boys.

I am running close to the end of the wire recorder here and before we close I want to send my best wishes to all of you good folks at Life Laboratory.

Data compiled by;
Robert P. Stafford, M.D.
April, 1963

I. Introduction

A. Mode of Action (presumptive)

By subjecting conductive particles (e.g., bacteria & viruses) to an intense electromagnetic field, which is specifically modulated to approach that particle's inherent resonant frequency, we presume that such a particle might disintegrate. The following table gives the critical resonant frequencies of several viruses and bacteria (presumptive).

MICRO-ORGANISM FREQUENCY IN C.P.S.

Tetanus - 120
Treponema - 660
Gonorrhea - 712
Staphlococci - 728
Pneumococci - 776
streptothrix (fungus) - 784
Streptococci - 880
Typhoid bacteria - 712
Typhoid virus - 1862
Bacillus Coli Rod Form - 800
Bacillus Coli Virus - 1552
Tuberculosis Rod Form - 803
Tuberculosis Virus - 1552
Sarcoma (all forms, ?) - 2008
Carcinoma (all forms, ?) - 2128

B. Physical Properties

Radio Wave transmission is used as a carrier wave. We use between 3100 KC and 3300 KC (This does not appear to be a critical value). The carrier wave is modified with specific cycles per second modulations. We believe that the CPS is a critical value and it actually may prove to be the most important factor which this research may offer.

[This assumption by Dr. Stafford that the RF or Radio Frequency carrier was not a critical value has been proven to be an error. An original Rife Ray #5 or Beam Ray Clinical instrument was found and analyzed. Dr. Stafford was using a replica of this instrument with all of his patients. With the analyzing of the original machine it was found that both the audio frequency (CPS or Cycles Per Second) and the RF carrier frequency were both critical values. Even though Dr. Stafford’s instrument was mis-calibrated and the CPS audio frequencies were almost 10 times lower than the original audio frequencies used in the original Rife Ray #5 Clinical instrument he still obtained the incredible results recorded in this report. To learn about this instrument click here and read Chapter 9 of “The Rife Machine Report-A History of Rife’s Machines and Frequencies."

C. Equipment

1. A 5 Watt Radio Transmitter [It was actually 50 watts] with a pre-auditory Oscillator circuit attached to give specific CPS modulations to the 3100 KC carrier wave.

2. A Hewlett-Packard Electronic Counter to give CPS control.

3. A Heathkit Radio wave meter to evaluate the intensity and field of radio wave output.

d. History

In the 1930's, a Mr. Royal R. Rife, then of Chicago and later of California, believed he could destroy bacteria if he could make them vibrate at their inherent resonant frequency. Being an engineer as well as a bacteriologist, and having been impressed with studies of the radio under Marconi, he observed the effects of various physical modalities on bacterial cultures. After numerous attempts to impress the cultures with various radio-band frequencies (diathermy), he finally noted favorable results when using modulated frequencies. He pursued his work and developed the critical CPS modulations as listed above in I-A.

Apparently, Mr. Rife was unwilling to divulge his entire findings to those in the medical profession whose endorsement he sought. Consequently, his entire research was set aside as quackery. In the 1950's, Mr. Rife gave his entire data on the Electromagnetic Field Therapy (EFT) to another engineer, Mr. Crane. Through Mr. Crane, I was able to obtain, in 1957, the original data of Mr. Rife. Since the presumptive mode of action of EFT seemed plausible to me, and since the physical properties used in these low intensities seemed reasonably safe, I felt compelled to investigate the data further.

II. Clinical and Laboratory Experiences Conducted in Dayton, Ohio from 1957 to 1963, using the Specifically Modulated, EFT Modality.

A. Rat Experiment

This experiment was conducted under the observation and attestation of Robert Zipf, M.D., Director of Medical Research at Miami Valley Hospital (also Montgomery County coroner), and B. J. Katchman, Ph. D., Director of the Laboratory. Chloroleukemic Sprague-Dawley rats were used.

1. Experimental Plan. The plan called for 16 suckling rats to be injected with standard doses of rat leukemic whole blood, of which 8 were to be treated with  EFT, the other 8 to serve as controls, In addition, 8 suckling rats, without injection, were to be treated with EFT.

2. Treatment. The rats were to receive treatment the day following injection, every Monday, Wednesday, and Friday at 10:00 A.M. during the experiment. Dr. Stafford gave the treatments, using 3100 KC carrier waves modulated as follows:

784 cps for 4 minutes
728 cps for 4 minutes
880 cps for 4 minutes
2128 cps for 4 minutes
2008 cps for 4 minutes

The rats, both injected and non-injected were placed in a container and treated at the same time.

3. Results

a. Injected and Non-treated Group.
Only three rats were available as controls at the time this experiment was begun. These animals were all positive with respect to chloroma at death:

Days Post - Injection (death):
43 days
39 days
49 days
3) 131 = 43.6 average date of death

b. Injected and Treated Group.
In this group, there are recorded 7 injected animals. Of these, 4 animals died and were positive for chloroma as follows:
Days Post-Injection (death):
55 days
53 days
48 days
46 says
4) 202 = 50.5 average date of death

One experimental animal surviving the experiment was sacrificed at 98 days and found positive; in addition to the usual autopsy identification, whole blood from this animal had the ability to transplant leukemia in suckling rats. The remaining two rats were asymptomatic, both during the experiment and at autopsy. It is possible that these animals never had a good injection, or that the animals had rejected the transplant.

c. Non-Injected and Treated Group.
All 9 animals in this group were sacrificed at the end of the experiment (98 days). No abnormalities were noted.

4. Conclusion. The paucity of data precludes any firm or positive conclusions. However, the data do indicate that the treatment has some effect, at least insofar as one is able to interpret the apparent increase in life-span in the treated animals. This preliminary study indicates, at least, that more elaborate experiments will be necessary if this type of treatment is to be effectively evaluated.

B. Dog Experiment

The first animate object which we treated here in Dayton in 1957 was my 10 year old dog, Skipper. Skip had always been a very active dog until he began to develop cataracts in 1956. Concurrently, he showed signs of arthritis and he became quite weak in his hind quarters. He could no longer jump into the car nor sit up on his haunches to beg for food as had been his custom previously. When he ate, his hind quarters showed a marked tremor. He frequently had a purulent conjunctivitis. I felt that he would not live more than another year at the most. So I treated Skipper with EFT.

A most remarkable improvement occurred in Skip even after the first treatment. He was able to sit up and beg. After several more treatments he was able to jump into the car. The tremor in the hind quarters disappeared. The purulent conjunctivitis cleared, and old Skip acted like a young pup again for the next 3 years. Skipper's cataracts gradually matured and he became nearly totally blind. Finally at the age of 13 years, we felt that the most humane action would be to have Skipper destroyed - which we did. But to the very end, Skip remained strong, his coat was beautiful, and I sincerely believe that the EFT extended his happy and useful canine life at least 2 extra years.

C. Observed Effects of EFT on 16 cases of Advanced, Terminal Malignancy.

As yet, we have failed to "cure" any case of advanced, terminal malignancy. It appears in several instances that we may have impressed the disease favorably, temporarily. It is difficult to rule out the psychological, morale booster effect to the terminal patient when some definitive effort is made again in his behalf. However, several improvements have appeared to be more physical than emotional, as is demonstrated in Case #1 below. All the patients in this series were treated with the same frequencies (e.g., 728-784-880-2008-2128). Perhaps these frequencies may be wrong, or only nearly correct.

1. Case L.B., age 79 years, was admitted to College Hill Hospital, Dayton on 9/11/1957, in severe congestive heart failure and with an associated diagnosis of advanced, metastatic breast carcinoma. Her admission weight was 136 Ibs. Three weeks later, her weight was 110 Ibs after digitalization and diuretic regimen. However, the Ca of breast had metastasized to the cervical nodes and apparently to the para-esophageal nodes. She was having increased difficulty swallowing even liquids. Biopsy confirmed Ca (slides available) and consultation confirmed the terminal status of her malignancy.
She was given 13 EFT. During the treatments, the cervical nodes softened; the patient was able to resume her regular eating habits, including solid foods such as fried chicken, etc. Her strength improved. She became ambulatory and desired to go home. Soon thereafter, she fell at the bedside. Although she apparently did not sustain fracture or tissue injury, her condition deteriorated rapidly after the fall, and intractable decompensation developed. She died on her 94th hospital day.
Autopsy was performed, and carcinoma cells were found only at the site of the original Ca in the left breast. Despite the positive findings of Ca in the pretreatment biopsies of the right breast and neck, no evidence remained of Ca in these areas at autopsy. The pathological Dx given at autopsy was:

a. Bronchopneumonia, bilateral
b. Generalized arteriosclerosis
c. Arterial nephrosclerosis
d. Carcinoma of left breast with metastasis locally. Status post-irradiation. (N.B. No X'ray or radium therapy had been given to this woman at anytime). 35 mm color slides are available in this case. Also, microscopic slides of pretreatment node biopsy are available.

2. Case D.C. had been admitted to C.H.H. on 9/20/1957, ten months after surgery and post-surgery irradiation for advanced cervical Ca. She had a recto-vaginal fistula. She had extreme paroxysms of pain and was very weak and bedfast. She began having rather profuse bleeding from the lower intestinal tract. During the next two months, 15 EFT were given. The intestinal bleeding stopped promptly. Her pain decreased, and her demand for narcotics practically ceased. Her strength improved, and she was able to be up in a chair at the bedside.

Her general condition improved to the point where I suggested that a colostomy be performed so by-pass the recto-vaginal fistula. This was done. No Ca was noted in the abdomen at surgery, but both ureters were markedly dilated from the obstruction of the pelvic scarring and mass. She recovered from the surgery and went home, but soon thereafter, the ureters became more obstructed, uremia developed and the patient expired. An autopsy was performed with the findings as follows:

a. Confluent bilateral bronchopneumonia
b. Hydronephrosis of the right kidney
c. Pyonephrosis of the left kidney
d. Uremia (clinical)
e. Carcinoma of the uterus (clinical)

3. Case K.M., age 60 years. This patient had terminal breast Ca., with pleural metastasis which had been treated by bilateral radical mastectomy and the injection of nitrogen mustard intrapleurally prior to EFT. She was bedfast and having extreme tightness in her chest and severe racking paroxysms of coughing three or four times a day. The first EFT was given on 2/22/58; the patient noted an immediate decrease in the tight feeling in the left axilla and in the upper anterior chest. Her coughing spells reduced to once daily and were less severe after the second EFT. She was more comfortable henceforth, but her weakness progressed and syspnea increased. She expired on 3/12/58. At the time of her sixth EFT, both her husband and I were certain that many of the metastatic nodules on her chest wall were softer and smaller than at the beginning of treatment.

4. Case R.W., age 54 years. Dx: Carcinoma of breast with recurrent skin metastasis. After EFT in Oct., 1960, there was some softening and a slight decrease in erythema of the superficial metastatic nodules. Then there was gradual recurrence and extension of the lesions (slides available).

5. Case F.S., age 64 years. Dx: Carcinoma of breast with large left axillary nodes. (concurrent CVA). After EFT in March 1961, there was softening and decrease in size of the axillary nodes. There was no apparent effect on the primary site (her general condition was too deteriorated for surgery). After several weeks of encouraging progress at the metastatic sites, there was again resumption of unfavorable progress. (slides available)

6. Case H.B., age 73 years. Dx: Ca of prostate surgically removed but evidence present of bone metastasis. (elevated sorum phosphatasc). Patient lived 6 years after surgery. EFT was given him with clinical relief of bladder irritation and decrease of low back pain. There was gradual deterioration; and eventually, intractable cardiac decompensation caused his death.

7. Case E.K., age 61 years. Dx: Ca of breast; mastectomy with recurrent superficial metastasis. After EFT, the local lesions decreased in size, hardness and erythema. Death occurred suddenly from a pulmonary embolus.

8. Case J.G., age 37 years. Dx: Astrocytoma diffusum. Following surgery by Dr. Wilder Penfield of Montreal, there was evidence of recurrence. After EFT, the use of his right hand improved and his faltering speech improved for over a year. Then deterioration progressed with increasing weakness and death.

9. Case P.Z., age 40 years. Dx: Ca of breast; post-surgery bone metastasis (terminal state). Patient noted some temporary decrease in back pain for 12 to 20 hours after each EFT. However, no signs of improvement (objective) followed EFT.

10. Case B.H., age 55 years. Dx: Malignant melanoma; post- amputation with groin metastasis. EFT failed to affect patient either beneficially or adversely.

11. Case E.W., age 58 years. Dx: Ca of lung, far advanced, inoperable. His cough was very distressing and hemoptysis had become quite a problem. After EFT, both the cough and hemoptysis were decreased during the two weeks before his death.

12. Case M.J., age 40 years. Dx: Ca of ovary with generalized carcinomatosis. In April 1959, EFT was given without benefit.

13. Case O.D., age 38 years. Dx: Ca of colon; post-surgery with liver and mesenteric node metastasis. In Oct., 1959, EFT was given without appreciable benefit.

14. Case J.B., age 55 years. Dx: Ca of stomach; post-surgical with liver metastasis. InMarch 1959, EFT was given without appreciable benefit.

15. Case B.B., age 58 years. Dx: Osteosarcoma of tibia, with metastasis. In Oct., 1958, EFT (modified) was given with some momentary relief of pain following each treatment. However, it was not felt that the course of the disease was influenced by EFT.

16. Case M.B., age 40 years. Dx: Ca of cervix, with generalized pelvic metastasis. In Nov., 1958, EFT (modified) was given with no appreciable benefit.

[After reading Dr. Stafford’s report on these 16 cancer patients it is apparent that the machine was not working like the earlier models used by previous doctors such as Dr. James B. Couche, M.D., and others. Dr. Couche’s Rife Ray #5 or Beam Ray Clinical machine used a RF carrier frequency of 3300 KC with the following CPS or audio frequencies:

MICRO-ORGANISM FREQUENCY IN C.P.S.

Tetanus - 1200
Treponema - 6600
Staphlococci - 7270
Pneumococci - 7660
streptothrix (fungus) - 7870
Streptococci - 8450
Typhoid bacteria - 6900
Typhoid virus - 18620
Bacillus Coli Rod Form - 8020
Bacillus Coli Virus - 17220
Tuberculosis Rod Form - 8300
Tuberculosis Virus - 16000
Sarcoma (all forms, ?) - 20080
Carcinoma (all forms, ?) - 21275

These CPS or audio frequencies when used with a 3300 KC RF carrier frequency will produce, through RF harmonic sideband frequencies, all of Dr. Rife’s original high RF frequencies used on the various microorganisms. To read about Dr. Rife’s “True Original Frequencies” click here. It is apparent that Dr. Stafford’s machine was mis-calibrated. We can only speculate on how well his patients would have done if he would have only known that both the RF carrier frequency and the CPS audio frequencies were critical values.]

D. Observed Effects of EFT on 16 Cases with Dermatological Problem.

As one might suppose, my primary aspiration in evaluating this modality has been to add a weapon to our armamentarium in the fight against cancer. Never-the-less, I find evidence in my investigation that this modality may be of more immediate value in the field of dermatology.

Using EFT, we have treated 16 people with dermatological problems, including 7 different diagnoses. Three cases of opidermophytosis of the feet (athlete's foot) all responded very favorably.

1. Case R.W., age 16 years. Dx: Severe epidermophytosis, with secondary infection, offeet, toes and finger nails. Wet and crusted lesions for 3 weeks. The weeping stopped on the day after the first EFT. After the third EFT, the skin cleared and no more cracking of the skin occurred. Six months later, in response to a questionnaire. R.W.'s mother stated, "Roger was better after the treatments. We all feel the treatments helped.”

2. Case P.G., (a surgical resident at Good Samaritan Hospital) He states, "moderately severe athlete's foot over 15 years, associated with cracking between toes, scaling of skin over plantar surface of feet and between toes, and at times, slight localized infection associated with cracking. Desenex gave only partial control." Three EFT were given in September 1960.
On June 14, 1961, Dr. F.G. states, "There was prompt disappearance within 48 - 72 hours of all signs of athlete's foot after the first EFT. No recurrence has been noted except for a very localized recurrence under a toenail in May 1961. This was successfully treated with 3 more EFT. The toenail, under which the fungus grew, was one which had been completely avulsed 6 months before and was now almost completely grown out."

Two cases of seborrhea dermatitis capitis with secondary infection responded favorably.

3, Case E.M., age 74 years. She had three open, crusting lesions of the scalp over the parietal area which had persisted for 17 years following "shingles". E.M. stated, "the scalp sores have been treated by various medicines but would never heal. After the first EFT, they have now healed - which is an amazing thing to me and my beauty operator who has taken care of my hair for 10 years".

Two cases of pyodermia were treated with very good results.

4. Case B.W., age 2 years. She had a one year history of multiple recurrent pustular lesions appearing over both buttocks (slides available). These lesions cultured out Staph. aureus. She had been treated with auto-immune vaccines, antibiotics and local hygiene measures, all of which failed to rid patient of these lesions. Immediately within one week following the last of three EFT, the lesions almost completely cleared on both buttocks. For the following month, scattered lesions did appear over the buttocks and posterior thighs. Following this, all lesions have disappeared with no return. (Since December 1960)

5. Case F.S., age 30 years. She had been treated with the usual medications for a pustular, weeping, eczematoid type lesion of both hands. Usual therapy had failed, and her hands were very swollen and painful. EFT was started on Monday, June 19, 1961. I shall quote verbatim from F.S.'s own report as follow:
Mon. 6/19/61. "Felt like needles when light got close. Most of the weeping stopped during treatment. But started again after." "Not as sore after first treatment. Some infection showed on right hand knuckle about two hours after first treatment; they itched badly."

Tues. 6/20/61. "Have a terrible odor and weeping from both hands very heavy. Very sore in and around yellow blisters.”

Wed. 6/21/61 Second EFT. "Still a heavy weeping but able to bend fingers a litter after second treatment. First time in over a week. Still have a terrible odor but very little soreness."

Thurs. 6/22/61 “Can almost close fingers completely on my right hand. Still have an odor. No soreness. Dead skin beginning to peel. A few small yellow blisters. Feet completely dried and no swelling."

Fri. 6/23/61 Third EFT. "Fingers starting to crust over. No more weeping but very tender. still a few water blisters and also some small yellow blisters. Still have an odor but not so bad.”

Sat. 6/24/61 "Odor is gone. Fingers and hands completely crusted. Still have a few yellow blisters. They itch but not sore. Still pretty stiff. Crust beginning to peel between fingers. Feet are fine.

Sun. 6/25/61 "Hard crust has begun to peel off fingers. No more infection, just tender new skin."

Mon. 6/26/61 "Hard crust all off. Can close fingers completely for first time in 2 1/2 weeks. Can do house work and care for family with gloves. Skin very red and tender."

Thurs. 6/29/61 "Put hands in water today without rubber gloves and no discomfort. No more peeling. Able to do anything."
Three cases of acne were treated with EFT with favorable results.

6. Case R.D., age 21 years. He developed a severe case of acne at the age of 13. At age 16, he was treated with X'ray (also diet and local regimen) with only temporary improvement. Then he had the skin of his face sandpapered which again only gave temporary relief. Ultra-violet light therapy also failed. When I saw this boy, he was very despondent. Actually, I felt he might be considered a suicide risk, since he was withdrawing from social events because of his severe acne. EFT was given in Mar.
1961 (4 treatments). He states, "A few days after the last treatment, the results started to show. There was tremendous improvement."
His skin is now clear, and he married in 1962. His personality has changed completely. He is now very happy and "outgoing". (slides available)

7. Case C.W., age 22. (R.N. in my office) Dx: Pustular acne. Three EFT given in Oct. 1957. Within one week the lesions had dried considerably. In March 1958, she stated, "I believe that the treatments did help to improve this skin condition. The lesions are now healed and the scars are gradually fading.

8. Case A.S. and

9. Case S.S. my two teenage daughters, who both developed acne at adolescence. I treated them with EFT. Their acne improved promptly and is under good control now.

Four cases of poison ivy were treated with EFT with apparently good results.

10. Case D.J., age 35 years. In Feb 1958, EFT was given empirically to this woman for her poison ivy which involved both lower extremities rather severely. The bottom of both feet were heavily blistered. She states, "for four days, the discomfort of itching was unbearable. EFT was given at the end of the fourth day. She states, "that night, itching was arrested and no further discomfort felt. The process of healing required about two weeks. No further spreading during this time was manifested.

11. Case C.D., age 12. Case B.L. age 13 Case A.S. (my daughter) All three girls had very bothersome effects from poison ivy, contracted while practicing with the Fairview High School band in a recently cleared field which was lined with rampant poison ivy plants. The usual therapy failed to give relief so, remembering the case of D.J. (D-10 above), I treated all 3 girls with EFT. They all had immediate relief and proceeded to complete recovery within the next two weeks.

N.B.: I do not understand the relationship of poison ivy to infectious diseases. However, Mr. Rife presumed that there may be a fungus involved in poison ivy, if so, then a logical explanation might be assumed for its response to EFT.
Two cases of atopic dermatitis and one case of leukoplakia on the scalp were treated with EFT with no effect or improvement. No detrimental effects were noted, however.

E. Miscellaneous Data and Case Reports.

Since 1957, I have treated 60 people with the EFT, including myself, my wife, and my four children on several different occasions. Of the 60 people, 16 were cases of malignancy as described in II-C of this report. Sixteen others had dermatological problems as described in II-D of this report. The remaining 28 persons had various and sundry illnesses or complaints. Admittedly, my scientific approach to some of the problems could be criticized justifiably. Fortunately, in all the cases treated, not one worrisome or detrimental side effect has been noted. Because of this apparent lack of danger in the use of EFT, perhaps I have been a bit lax in my use of EFT. I feel that we are operating well below the 10 milliwatts per square centimeter of body surface which the Navy Medical Department has considered conservatively safe for personnel. (see Bibliography, section III of this report).

The 28 persons under discussion in this section had clinical diagnoses as follow:

U.R.I. 6, cases
Acute Bronchitis, 4 cases
Chronic Pulmonary Disease, 2 cases
Fibrositis, (low back), 2 cases
Cystitis, 2 cases
Bursitis, 1 case
Osteo-arthritis, 1 case
Acute Follicular Tonsillitis, 1 case
Scleroderma, 1 case
Non-specific complaints, 8 cases

On file, I have signed testimonial statements in which more than 50% of the above listed patients make definitely favorable comments that their illness or complaints improved after EFT, and that they definitely attribute this improvement to the EFT. For purposes of illustration, I shall include in this section, several of these cases. A questionnaire was sent to those persons treated, six months after EFT. Many of the comments quoted here were obtained on return of these questionnaire.

1. Case H.B., age 73 years. Dx: Cystitus
Survey question: 'Did the symptoms of your illness disappear after the electrical treatment?"
Patients answer: “Shortly thereafter the urgency for urination was greatly decreased.”

2. Case R.C., age 58 years. Dx: Chronic Cystitis
He had a T.U.R. in Feb., 1957 and had heraturia and dysuria since then. EFT was given in Oct., 1957.
Survey question: "Did the symptoms of your illness disappear after the electrical treatments?”
Patient's answer: “Yes, after the fifth treatment, I felt much better for about 3 months, then another hemorrhage occurred."

Subsequently, on cystoscopy a urinary bladder calculus was found and removed with complete relief.

3. Case S.S., age 4 years. Dx: Subacute Trachcobronchitis
She had had a severe, dry, rasping cough for 2 weeks which was especially distressing at night. There were fine crepitant rales heard over both lung fields. EFT was given. The rales disappeared, promptly.
Survey question: "Did the symptoms of your illness disappear after the electrical treatments?"
Answer (by patient's mother) “Yes, within a 24 hour period, I believe. I definitely believe treatment improved Sandra's condition."

4. Case H.Y., age 26 years (one of my office nurses)
Dx: Acute Follicular Tonsillitis with cervical adenitis. She developed a sore throat on 10/9/57. She was treated with aureomycin and other adjunctive therapy through 10/13/57. She continued to feel terrible, with generalized aching and difficulty in swallowing. Her temperature averaged 102'. Since she had seen some good results with EFT in the office, she requested EFT for herself. This was given. Twelve hours after the first and only EFT was given her, she felt much better, she was afebrile, and the membrane was leaving the lower part of her left tonsil. By 10/16/57 she was feeling fine; and by 10/18/57, the tonsils were normal in appearance.
Survey question: "Do you believe that the electrical treatments were a definite cause of your improvement?"
Patient's answer: "Yes, partially in 12 hours, then I felt completely recovered in four days.”

5. Case P.G., (surgical resident at Good Samaritan Hospital)
Dx: U.R.I. Hx: 4/12/61. "I had 24 hours Sx of clear rhinorrhea, cough, and a mild sore throat."
Patient's statement: “The rhinorrhea, cough, and sore throat disappeared and was not present the following day, nor afterward. No other Rx. was used.

6. Case E.M.., age 74 years. Dx: Subdeltoid Bursitis
In Aug., 1958, bursitis started in her left shoulder, associated with severe pain and almost complete loss of the use of her left arm. Intrabursal cortisone, diathermy, and ultrasonic therapy, as well as Decadron-p.o., was given without much relief. In May, 1959, EFT was used.
She stated, “This helped immediately, within 24 hours after the treatment (first), I noticed quite an improvement in my shoulder and arm. I could use the arm more each day and the pain had lessened so that I slept more in the next 24 hours than I had for a whole week."

Good progress continued, and the patient obtained use of her arm again.

III. Bibliography

At present, there is evidence that others are investigating the use and value of radio frequencies in the medical and para-medic sciences. Some of the references listed below may throw light on the physiological effects of EFT. Especially, I call your attention to some parallel work on magnetism and cell growth reported in Medical World News on 4/12/63. (III-L)

A. A New Physical Method of Creating Chromosomal Aberrations,
by John H. Heller - New England Institute for Medical Re- search. Nature, Vol 183, pp 905-906, March 28, 1959.

1. In this article, Dr. Heller has described some effects which can be obtained from a radio frequency source in the megacycle range.

2. This same research was depicted in Life Magazine last year.

B.  Microwave Injury Reports Untrue, Engineer Panel Told,
by Nat Snyderman in Electronic News, Monday, October 12, 1959.

1. Col. George M. Knauf, of the Air Force Missile Test Center, Patrick Air Force Base, Fla., told engineers attending a session on "Biological Effects of Micro waves." He stated, "Stories of injuries and death to personnel through microwave radiation are untrue, despite reports to the contrary in the general press and even in a reputable medical journal.

C. Radio Waves Stop Cells from Dividing,
by Dr. John Heller, The A.M.A. News. April 6, 1959.

1. Headlined on front page - more on Dr. Heller's work.

D. The Egg and the Light Bulb.
Dispulse Manufacturing Corporation of-America (advertIsement) Modern Medicine, November 15, 1960.

E. From a Sick Chicken, Time Magazine,
October 27, 1958 pg. 64. Article gives specific data on safe level of microwaves
as set by Navy Medical Dept. They said 10 milliwatts per square centimeter of body surface is conservatively safe per personnel.

G. Radio Waves Peril C.M.S., N.I.H. Testimony Reveal,
Medical News; 5/13/59. Dr. Pearce Bailey describes damaging effects on monkeys using ultra-high frequency radio waves.

H. Study of Microwave Throat Begun,
Medical News, January 27, 1960. Speculative article indicating that the Air Force plans to study effects of radiowaves following Dr. Heller's basic research (III-A&C) The protocol for the long range study was formulated by Col. George M. Knauf, (III-B)

I. Virus in Tissues Linked to Cancer, but Role Unclear, Scope,
Vol. 5, No. 41 October 12, 1960.

1. An article discussing relationship of viruses to cancer tissues.

J. Rhythmicity, Resonance, and Wave Length, Medical Tribune,
May 9, 1960.

1. For what it may be worth.

K. Failure is Our Most Important Product, New Medical Material,
Jan, 1961 pg. 64

1. Humor is sometimes good for the soul" especially when anticipated results in research are not always forthcoming.

L. Magnetism Repels Cell Growth, Medical World News,
April 12, 1963.
(Copy enclosed) This interesting review may indicate the manner in which EFT affects the physiology of tissue.

M. Electricity Generates New Medical Ideas, Medical World News,
April 12, 1963. (copy enclosed)

IV. Conclusion.

Having worked with the specifically modulated electromagnetic field modality for the past six years, I am convinced that there exists some effective force in this form of therapy. This modality seems to exert some modifying force on the animal and human body. Unfortunately I am equipped with neither the time nor the material to do justice to the needed research in this field.

Should a research organization become interested in further investigation of EFT, I would suggest, initially, that the Rat Experiment described in II-A of this report be repeated, using much larger numbers of animals, and varying exposure times and frequencies, etc.

Perhaps some value would result in correlating the work of Dr. Heller (III-A), whose work with the effects of radar on chromosomes may be of some parallel, but not necessarily identical effect as EFT.

If Mr. Rife's theory is right, then a method must be developed to isolate the offending organism in each specific case and find the exact frequency which causes that organism to disintegrate. These facts should be determined before treating each patient in every instance. With data of this sort available for each specific case before treatment, more consistent results should be obtained. To date, we are merely using data developed by Mr. Rife years ago. We only can hope that we are approaching the critical resonant frequency of the suspected pathogen. This is a very blind and unscientific approach, admittedly. Perhaps with adequate research, these weakness may be overcome.